marvel mystery oil for engine

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Dec 7, 2007
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Islander- Mark 11- Ellenton Florida
Hi. I getting ready to change oil and filters in my engine, how many of you add mavel mystery oil to your diesel engine,(I have 2gm20f) how much, and does it do any good for the motor. What benefit will mystery oil do to running the engine or when have boat sitting in slip for length of time.

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Jun 21, 2007
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Hunter Cherubini 36_80-82 Sausalito / San Francisco Bay
Modern oils formulated for diesel engines by the main oil companies have all the marvelous additives already included. I have never added anything to oil in any of my 8 or so autos all of which I drove for 10 years or more. (Currently on 13 years with our 2000 Prius.) Never one internal mechanical engine failure. I'm not doing any different for my boat.

I would just change at Yanmar's recommended intervals. Interestingly, the Yanmar GM series service manual specifies oil change every 100 hours. (But once a season is a good idea if you don't put that many hours per year.) And the oil filter must be changed every 300 hours. I've got the previous generation QM series engine which specifies the same regime. Not changing the oil filter every time eliminates a step and the extra mess. Actually for the last 15 years or so I've been doing the same with my cars. A new filter only every other change. The new engines are built to much tighter tolerances so have less metal shavings when new and and less cylinder blow-by = less particulate build-up in the oil = less plug-up of the oil filter. And supposedly today's oil filters are much better than a generation ago.
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
I agree. Voodoo stuff. You might want to try a search on MMO, since it's been a recurring subject.
 

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Aug 24, 2005
3,715
Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
Don Moyer, the Atomic 4 guru has recommended it in A 4s. Beyond that, I don't, and won't, use it in my diesel.
 
Jan 30, 2012
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Nor'Sea 27 "Kiwanda" Portland/ Anacortes
I agree with Stu. Maybe the following will help you decide:

1. What are you trying to fix? If you know that then how does Marvel fix it?

2. What are you trying to prevent? If you know that then does Marvel prevent whatever you are trying to prevent.

If you cannot answer these questions to your satisfaction - then why would you consider using the product in the first place?

Charles
 
Oct 17, 2011
2,809
Ericson 29 Southport..
An oil rep. once told me, "If you're adding anything to your motor oil to achieve a different result, you are using the wrong motor oil".
 
Aug 16, 2006
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Ericson 32 Oregon coast
No, modern crankcase oils come with a precise

additive package that can actually be damaged by introducing another additive. Be sure to use an oil that is rated for diesel and not for gasoline engines only. Keeping your oil clean by regular changes is the best thing that you can do.
 
Jan 22, 2008
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Hunter 37 C sloop Punta Gorda FL
I know people who add Marvel mystery oil and some who add other stuff to their diesel fuel, never heard of adding it to lube oil.
 
May 27, 2012
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Oday 222 Beaver Lake, Arkansas
I spent a year hanging around a dusty old airport with a bunch of grey hairs. One notable had his flying license since 1921, flew 29's in WW2, was a captain for United, retired, and then starting flying unlimited pylon racers out at the Reno air races. He held several degrees including engineering and chemistry, and yet he taught guys to fly in an old Piper Colt and was still teaching and flying his racer last I heard. The owner of the airport was rebuilding aircraft engines before I was born, and knew more about engines and physics and metallurgy than almost anyone ive met.

Everywhere I turned were these old guys who dressed and acted more like farmers than anyone else, but when they spoke and told stories, you would think you were among the astronauts. They were without a doubt, the smartest men ive ever hung around.

And virtually every one of them used MMO in the crankcase. They showed me airplanes with engines older than me ( I was 38 at the time) which had never been apart, several of which had exceeded their TBO more than twice over. I still recall a 57 172 that was 39 years old and never apart except for one jug (I read the log book), and still posting good compression at over 4000 hours since new. That engine has a TBO of only 1800 hours, and anyone who knows 145 HP Continentals knows they have a hard time even going that far and usually need a top overhaul around midway.

And no one really knows to this day exactly whats in it. All I know is that some years back I ran two quarts of it through an exotic sports car engine to clean it out before tearing it down and washing all the parts in solvent. Even three years later I could pick up parts from that engine and feel a fine silky wax like film, and smell MMO.

Let me say this though. I have personally taken apart as many as 3000 to 4000 engines over my years, maybe more I dont know. I have seen a lot of carnage, not just automotive and racing, but marine engines, aircraft, and heavy diesels etc.. I've seen engines that were sludged up and no longer ran with less than 1000 hours on them, or less than 40,000 miles. At the other end ive seen Mercedes diesels with over 800,000 miles that were still running strong which had never been apart, and other diesels with amazing distances and times on them. And many of those that went the distance had owners who swore by MMO. In all fairness though, those owners also prescribed to 3000 mile or 25 hour oil changes with top name brand oils of higher viscosity.

So y'all can call it snake oil, but there are a lot of really smart people out there that have a long, long history with it that would argue with you. And going back to the airport again, I knew of no one who added it to their fuel. In fact the FAA has vehemently warned against adding it to fuel in aircraft, for safety reasons.

And what do I do? I am in the middle. I often add some before an oil change, maybe a week before, because I know it is highly detergent. I have put it into engines that smoked, missed, or had ticky lifters, and ive seen it fix a great many of them. It can unstick rings and valves and can get ticky lifters working again better than anything I know of.
 
Aug 16, 2006
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Ericson 32 Oregon coast
Bill, yes, MMO is still recommended as a fuel

additive in some cases. I used it myself in a marine gasoline engine as a fuel additive. As I noted previously, modern crankcase oils have an additive package.
 
Aug 16, 2006
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Ericson 32 Oregon coast
Anchor, no, I wouldn't call it snake oil. I does have

a reputation spanning many decades. Modern crankcase oils though have a precise additive package that can be hampered by adulterating that package. No reputable mechanic in recent decades ever used it in their crankcase.
 
Apr 8, 2010
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Frers 33 41426 Westport, CT
And no one really knows to this day exactly whats in it. All I know is that some years back I ran two quarts of it through an exotic sports car engine to clean it out before tearing it down and washing all the parts in solvent. Even three years later I could pick up parts from that engine and feel a fine silky wax like film, and smell MMO.
According to Wikipedia (which is NEVER wrong)...

"The product is composed of 74 percent mineral oil, 25 percent stoddard solvent, and 1 percent lard"
 
May 27, 2012
1,152
Oday 222 Beaver Lake, Arkansas
I've read all kinds of reports of what is in MMO. Figuring that many synthetic oils are vegetable or animal fat based, or that Lard and Bear grease are/were used on blackpowder guns and train engines, that Castor oil was the main lubricant for 2 stroke engines and is still used in model airplane fuel, it really doesnt matter what MMO is made of, so much as if it does whats promised. Heck, they used whale oil for ATF into the early 60's until it ran out.

Im a mechanic not a chemist, and even then, the chemistry of oil keeps changing like a moving target. Just about the time I figure I know which oil is safe to run, they change the formula into something that starts taking out engines. I cant tell anyone what MMO is, and I dont know anyone else who can or will. But I dont know anyone who can really tell us whats in the motor oils we use, or exactly what that oil will do or how it reacts inside our engine. Well, they have told us what it would do, but they usually lied.

Years back all the Mercedes diesel guys ran Kendall oil. It was made by Kendall and they had their own oil well where they got the supposedly special elixir. Then Kendall was bought out by one of the big oil companies, and they closed down that particular well because it is a slow producer. But they kept bottling up Kendall bottles and passing it off as the real McCoy, but it was crap. Now I am told that special well was bought back and put back into production by Brad Penn, and its the same old oil Kendall used to be. I don't know about all that. I used to be a Valvoline guy too, but they sold out and turned to crap so I became a Castrol guy. Then they sold out and started selling crap. Now I run Rotella heavy duty diesel oil in all my engines and try to keep an eye on the web for whenever the EPA will screw that up, or Shell oil sells us out and starts selling garbage labeled Rotella.

So like I say, I dont know what MMO is, I just know it does certain things and it works as promised. How or why, whats its made of, I could care less. But if I have an engine thats smoking or ticking or clicking, or a diesel thats injection knocking, its gonna get some. Its the only additive that is known to actually do what it says, and the only one which has no harmful effects if used properly. Its also the only additive that has the unwritten acceptance of the FAA. Its not technically FAA approved, but they arent going to get excited if they see you using it like they will WD-40, seafoam, or other additives you can name.
 
May 4, 2005
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Macgregor 26d Ft Lauderdale, Fl
I know people who add Marvel mystery oil and some who add other stuff to their diesel fuel, never heard of adding it to lube oil.

1+ to the FUEL.

also have used it on (Gas) engines that have been sitting.... pull the plugs, squirt, rotate by hand, squirt, rotate. repeat. helps loosen up rings, prevents wall scoring.

also has been used down a carb to de carbon a engine... just like ATF down the carb... good for bug removal too (smokes like crazy).
 
Dec 7, 2007
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Islander- Mark 11- Ellenton Florida
Thanks all for your reply, The reason to use mmo is my boat is blacken around the hull exhaust port outside exit. Maybe, I should using it before I do oil change and filter to see if there is a change around port after it has been clean. I don't see any black smoke coming out when engine is running at idle or higher rpm,are 2gm20f run rich when starting up for awhile, then I can understand reason for black around the exhaust port.I am little anal of keeping things up to stuff, having big concern to all matter of the boat engine operation. But I have been using only rotella for oil changes. As you can see I still new to me boat owner and learning along the way.

Sorry for not replying sooner, was gone all weekend. If isn't serious matter than I will keep doing what I have been doing all along with interval of 100 hrs oil changes.
 
Aug 16, 2006
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Ericson 32 Oregon coast
As far as your crankcase oil goes, just keep it

changed regularly. Rotella is diesel rated so your good there. You might get a book on troubleshooting diesel engines. You can also open a thread on the "Engines and Propulsion" forum stating your specific problem. Fuel is critical to diesel engines. See what fuel additives are used by commercial diesel operators, truckers, fishermen ect.
 
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