Just wondering how other owners of documented vessels mark the documentation number inside, in a truly permanent way? In a wooden boat you can carve it into the main beam. What about my Catalina 36? Vinyl stick-on numbers with clear epoxy resin over?
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higgs
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Paul Mermelstein
Documentation Number
Yes, the USCG documentation number is supposed to be permanent. Many people glass over or epoxy is in place. Also make sure you have the correct format. It includes the letters "No." in front of the number, including the decimal point.
Yes, the USCG documentation number is supposed to be permanent. Many people glass over or epoxy is in place. Also make sure you have the correct format. It includes the letters "No." in front of the number, including the decimal point.
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tcbro
jviss...
That's exactly how mine was done by the PO. Vinyl letters on a bulkhead inside the cockpit locker. They were then coated with several coats of epoxy resin.
That's exactly how mine was done by the PO. Vinyl letters on a bulkhead inside the cockpit locker. They were then coated with several coats of epoxy resin.
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Ken
I used vinyl letters on inside hull
But didn't coat with epoxy. Reading the regs it states that the numbers should not have the capability to be removed without leaving some kind of marks that indicate that the numbers have been tampered with. I think it would be fairly hard to remove the vinyl numbers without leaving some kind of trace.
But didn't coat with epoxy. Reading the regs it states that the numbers should not have the capability to be removed without leaving some kind of marks that indicate that the numbers have been tampered with. I think it would be fairly hard to remove the vinyl numbers without leaving some kind of trace.
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Bob
Question as to location.
After reading the thread on the fatal accident in Buzzards Bay there was reference to how a boat should be marked. I checked on the Coast Guard webpage and this is what I found;
"The official number assigned to documented vessels, preceded of the abbreviation "NO." must be marked in block-type Arabic numerals at least three inches high on some clearly visible interior structural part of the hull. The number must be permanently affixed so that alteration, removal, or replacement would be obvious and cause some scarring or damage to the surrounding hull area."
I can't find where the PO marked it so I'm going to do it. Is inside the cockpit locker considered clearly visible?
"The name and hailing port of a recreational vessel must be marked together on some clearly visible exterior part of the hull. The vessel name of a commercial vessel must also be marked on the port and starboard bow and the vessel name and the hailing port must also be marked on the stern. All markings may be made by any means and materials that result in durable markings and must be at least four inches in height, made in clearly legible letters of the Latin alphabet or Arabic or Roman numerals. The "hailing port" must include both a place and a State, Territory, or possession of in the United States. The state may be abbreviated."
I marked the hull with her name and the transom with the hailing port. I now know I was wrong but that was my interpretation when i did her this past spring. This is my first boat. When she comes out for the winter I will remark the hailing port under the name. Does this mean I should remove the marking on the transom? I have a 1995 Catalina 30 with the cut out transom which doesn't have enough room to mark both the name and the port.
I also heard the actual documented paper work is to be onboard and displayed. Is this true and how do you do it? I thought of an 8-1/2 x 11 picture frame in the bathroom.
After reading the thread on the fatal accident in Buzzards Bay there was reference to how a boat should be marked. I checked on the Coast Guard webpage and this is what I found;
"The official number assigned to documented vessels, preceded of the abbreviation "NO." must be marked in block-type Arabic numerals at least three inches high on some clearly visible interior structural part of the hull. The number must be permanently affixed so that alteration, removal, or replacement would be obvious and cause some scarring or damage to the surrounding hull area."
I can't find where the PO marked it so I'm going to do it. Is inside the cockpit locker considered clearly visible?
"The name and hailing port of a recreational vessel must be marked together on some clearly visible exterior part of the hull. The vessel name of a commercial vessel must also be marked on the port and starboard bow and the vessel name and the hailing port must also be marked on the stern. All markings may be made by any means and materials that result in durable markings and must be at least four inches in height, made in clearly legible letters of the Latin alphabet or Arabic or Roman numerals. The "hailing port" must include both a place and a State, Territory, or possession of in the United States. The state may be abbreviated."
I marked the hull with her name and the transom with the hailing port. I now know I was wrong but that was my interpretation when i did her this past spring. This is my first boat. When she comes out for the winter I will remark the hailing port under the name. Does this mean I should remove the marking on the transom? I have a 1995 Catalina 30 with the cut out transom which doesn't have enough room to mark both the name and the port.
I also heard the actual documented paper work is to be onboard and displayed. Is this true and how do you do it? I thought of an 8-1/2 x 11 picture frame in the bathroom.
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Chris Burti
Here is what I think I know.
With regard to marking the name and hailing port, I marked both of them them in compliance with the regulation on the transom. As these are minimum requirements and contain no proscription concerning graphics...I have the name in large vinyl graphics on both sides at the stern quarter.
With regard to the cockpit locker location for the number, here is the CG reply to my identical query:
-----Original Message-----
From: Harmon, Denise
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 8:10 AM
To: 'chris@xxx.com'
Subject: RE: Documentation
If the cockpit locker is a part of the interior hull and it's clearly
visible, it will be acceptable.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Burti
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:25 AM
To: JJQUINN@NVDC.USCG.MIL
Subject: Documentation
Is a readily visible point near the top of the inside a large cockpit locker
an acceptable location for the documentation number as a specified "clearly
visible interior structural part of the hull"?
Chris Burti
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With regard to marking the name and hailing port, I marked both of them them in compliance with the regulation on the transom. As these are minimum requirements and contain no proscription concerning graphics...I have the name in large vinyl graphics on both sides at the stern quarter.
With regard to the cockpit locker location for the number, here is the CG reply to my identical query:
-----Original Message-----
From: Harmon, Denise
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 8:10 AM
To: 'chris@xxx.com'
Subject: RE: Documentation
If the cockpit locker is a part of the interior hull and it's clearly
visible, it will be acceptable.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Burti
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:25 AM
To: JJQUINN@NVDC.USCG.MIL
Subject: Documentation
Is a readily visible point near the top of the inside a large cockpit locker
an acceptable location for the documentation number as a specified "clearly
visible interior structural part of the hull"?
Chris Burti
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tcbro
Here's my take on it...
The Number;
As I said previously, my number is marked on the hull with vinyl letters and covered with several coats of epoxy. Yes, simple removal would leave marks but they would be easy enough for someone to fix. Actually, since there is no relief (raised or carved) a couple of coats of white paint from a spray can would effectively cover them up completely. Mine are inside a cockpit locker and are imediately visible upon opening the locker. I believe this to be acceptable to the CG.
Vessel Name & hailing port;
I have a walk through transom/swim platform at the stern and I don't feel there is enough room for the vessel's name. I have the name clearly marked on both aft quarters of the hull (8" letters) and the hailing port is across the bottom of the swim platform (3", I think). It's not exactly as required by the CG regs.
Certificate;
I do not display the certificate, I keep it in the chart table with the rest of the ship's papers. I didn't know that we were required to "display" it at all times. I can display it on request.
I feel that while I might not be in exact compliance with the letter of the regs I am close enough to avoid a fine. At worst I would expect that they might warn me to bring my markings in complete compliance. I have never been boarded by the CG but the position of the vessel name and hailing port are clearly visible to passing CG vessels and they have never felt it was worth a visit.
The Number;
As I said previously, my number is marked on the hull with vinyl letters and covered with several coats of epoxy. Yes, simple removal would leave marks but they would be easy enough for someone to fix. Actually, since there is no relief (raised or carved) a couple of coats of white paint from a spray can would effectively cover them up completely. Mine are inside a cockpit locker and are imediately visible upon opening the locker. I believe this to be acceptable to the CG.
Vessel Name & hailing port;
I have a walk through transom/swim platform at the stern and I don't feel there is enough room for the vessel's name. I have the name clearly marked on both aft quarters of the hull (8" letters) and the hailing port is across the bottom of the swim platform (3", I think). It's not exactly as required by the CG regs.
Certificate;
I do not display the certificate, I keep it in the chart table with the rest of the ship's papers. I didn't know that we were required to "display" it at all times. I can display it on request.
I feel that while I might not be in exact compliance with the letter of the regs I am close enough to avoid a fine. At worst I would expect that they might warn me to bring my markings in complete compliance. I have never been boarded by the CG but the position of the vessel name and hailing port are clearly visible to passing CG vessels and they have never felt it was worth a visit.
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cut them in some wood
ed
have a nice wood plaque cut with the numbers carved in almost thur the wood. epoxy ith plate to the bulkhead and varnish it nice and pretty
have a nice wood plaque cut with the numbers carved in almost thur the wood. epoxy ith plate to the bulkhead and varnish it nice and pretty
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larry w
Pretty much any woodworker
can router the numbers into a wooden plaque, then use double-stick tape to put it up somewhere.
can router the numbers into a wooden plaque, then use double-stick tape to put it up somewhere.
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Tim C350 April IV
Pretty much anybody....
Pretty much anybody can remove a board attached with double stick tape and not leave permanent evidence.
The rules say "permanently attached" and "...removal shall be evident"
Double stick tape won't cut it. Screws won't cut it. Stick on numbers won't cut it.
Read the rules (which have been posted numerous times) and then use your brains.....
Good Luck!
Tim Brogan
April IV C350 #68
Seattle
Pretty much anybody can remove a board attached with double stick tape and not leave permanent evidence.
The rules say "permanently attached" and "...removal shall be evident"
Double stick tape won't cut it. Screws won't cut it. Stick on numbers won't cut it.
Read the rules (which have been posted numerous times) and then use your brains.....
Good Luck!
Tim Brogan
April IV C350 #68
Seattle
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