Does anyone have the maintenance procedures for Barient 18 Winches? How difficulat of a task is it to take them a part and put them back together (in working order?).
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GordMay
Barient Maintenance
GENERAL WINCH SERVICE TIPS from http://www.arco-winches.com/barient.html and http://www.arco-winches.com/spares_2.html Most BARLOW winches and some BARIENT winches manufactured from 1983 onward are held together by a RETAINING NUT. This is a 2-1/2" [63.5mm] outside diameter metal disk surrounding the top end of the mainshaft of the winches. Typically, this Retaining Nut is engraved with Barlow or Barient and the model number of the winch. There are also 2 x 3/16" [5mm] diameter holes, 180 degrees opposed, in the top surface of the Retaining Nut. The winches were originally shipped with a dismantling tool, which was nothing more then a bend piece of wire, which was hooked into the 2 holes to unscrew the Retaining Nut. If this tool is lost - try the following method: Insert a 3/16" screw or a small screwdriver (Robertson) or similar, into one of the two holes. Insert your winch handle into the Mainshaft of the winch and turn the handle against the screw, etc, in the CCW direction to unscrew the Retaining Nut. Turn the winch handle in the CW direction to tighten the Reatining Nut. Most smaller BARLOW Standard winches and some BARIENT Standard winches required that a screw had to be removed from inside the mainshaft, in order to dismantle the winch. Those winches were originally supplied with a small plastic part, that looked like a handle with a 1/4" [6.5mm] diameter hole through the center of the star, through which you was able to insert an allen key to unscrew the bold, while at the same time stopping the mainshaft from rotating. If the original dismantling handle is lost, make your own by drilling a hole through your non lock-in handle. You could also use a piece of 5/8" to 11/16" square material (plastic, wood, steel - anything) through which you can drill the hole and which you can hold with a shifting spanner, while unscrewing the bolt inside the mainshaft of your winch. The following Service Information is of a general nature and applies equally to all ARCO, BARIENT & BARLOW winches. 1) Dismantling the winch a) Almost all models can be fully serviced without removing the winch from the deck. Be sure to pay special attention to the following: * Lay-out or remember the various parts in order of disassembly * When removing the drum, the drum bearings may stay in the drum and fall out when you least expect it and roll off the deck. Consequently there are any amount of Bearings on the bottom of the oceans. * Ratchet Pawl Springs are also easily lost. A part costing a few cents could render your winch unserviceable. It is advisable to keep a supply of Ratchet Pawl Springs. If you do not have any spare Springs, it would be good sense to order some before starting service of the winch. * Wash all parts in a petroleum solvent (kerosene, paraffin etc) and let dry or wipe dry with a lint free cloth. * Visually inspect all parts for damage or obvious wear, i.e. extremely worn, bend or broken gear teeth, ratchet pawls that appear to be very loose in - or fall out off - their sockets and check for parts that have excessive clearance on bearings and shafts. As with most things mechanical, early attention to a potential problem may save money or prevent an injury down the line. 2) Lubricating the Winch * Sparingly lubricate all mating parts and bearing surfaces with a waterproof grease, such as lubricants that are being used for machinery in the food industry. In an emergency, Petroleum Jelly is an acceptable alternative. Avoid greases with added 'Teflon'. * Lubricate the Ratchet Pawls and Springs with light machine oil. Avoid large amounts of grease in the Ratchet Pawl areas - the grease might become somewhat 'sticky' over a period of time and prevent the pawls from operating freely. 3) Assembling the Winch * Repeatedly 'flick' the Ratchet Pawls to ensure uninhibited operation * Ensure that the Ratchet Pawls engage squarely in the mating ratchet teeth - some ratchet gears can be assembled the wrong way and that will result in the winch slipping back when under load. * Assemble the rest of the components in the reverse order of disassembly. * Check the operation of the winch, if possible before that important race. A Barient - Barlow Maintenance Manual From the Aloha Owners: http://www.alohaowners.com/pages/manuals/files/barlow-barient%20winch.pdf and from: http://www.sailboatowners.com/upload/display.tpl?folder=Rich73086573207&fno=17 HTH Gord
GENERAL WINCH SERVICE TIPS from http://www.arco-winches.com/barient.html and http://www.arco-winches.com/spares_2.html Most BARLOW winches and some BARIENT winches manufactured from 1983 onward are held together by a RETAINING NUT. This is a 2-1/2" [63.5mm] outside diameter metal disk surrounding the top end of the mainshaft of the winches. Typically, this Retaining Nut is engraved with Barlow or Barient and the model number of the winch. There are also 2 x 3/16" [5mm] diameter holes, 180 degrees opposed, in the top surface of the Retaining Nut. The winches were originally shipped with a dismantling tool, which was nothing more then a bend piece of wire, which was hooked into the 2 holes to unscrew the Retaining Nut. If this tool is lost - try the following method: Insert a 3/16" screw or a small screwdriver (Robertson) or similar, into one of the two holes. Insert your winch handle into the Mainshaft of the winch and turn the handle against the screw, etc, in the CCW direction to unscrew the Retaining Nut. Turn the winch handle in the CW direction to tighten the Reatining Nut. Most smaller BARLOW Standard winches and some BARIENT Standard winches required that a screw had to be removed from inside the mainshaft, in order to dismantle the winch. Those winches were originally supplied with a small plastic part, that looked like a handle with a 1/4" [6.5mm] diameter hole through the center of the star, through which you was able to insert an allen key to unscrew the bold, while at the same time stopping the mainshaft from rotating. If the original dismantling handle is lost, make your own by drilling a hole through your non lock-in handle. You could also use a piece of 5/8" to 11/16" square material (plastic, wood, steel - anything) through which you can drill the hole and which you can hold with a shifting spanner, while unscrewing the bolt inside the mainshaft of your winch. The following Service Information is of a general nature and applies equally to all ARCO, BARIENT & BARLOW winches. 1) Dismantling the winch a) Almost all models can be fully serviced without removing the winch from the deck. Be sure to pay special attention to the following: * Lay-out or remember the various parts in order of disassembly * When removing the drum, the drum bearings may stay in the drum and fall out when you least expect it and roll off the deck. Consequently there are any amount of Bearings on the bottom of the oceans. * Ratchet Pawl Springs are also easily lost. A part costing a few cents could render your winch unserviceable. It is advisable to keep a supply of Ratchet Pawl Springs. If you do not have any spare Springs, it would be good sense to order some before starting service of the winch. * Wash all parts in a petroleum solvent (kerosene, paraffin etc) and let dry or wipe dry with a lint free cloth. * Visually inspect all parts for damage or obvious wear, i.e. extremely worn, bend or broken gear teeth, ratchet pawls that appear to be very loose in - or fall out off - their sockets and check for parts that have excessive clearance on bearings and shafts. As with most things mechanical, early attention to a potential problem may save money or prevent an injury down the line. 2) Lubricating the Winch * Sparingly lubricate all mating parts and bearing surfaces with a waterproof grease, such as lubricants that are being used for machinery in the food industry. In an emergency, Petroleum Jelly is an acceptable alternative. Avoid greases with added 'Teflon'. * Lubricate the Ratchet Pawls and Springs with light machine oil. Avoid large amounts of grease in the Ratchet Pawl areas - the grease might become somewhat 'sticky' over a period of time and prevent the pawls from operating freely. 3) Assembling the Winch * Repeatedly 'flick' the Ratchet Pawls to ensure uninhibited operation * Ensure that the Ratchet Pawls engage squarely in the mating ratchet teeth - some ratchet gears can be assembled the wrong way and that will result in the winch slipping back when under load. * Assemble the rest of the components in the reverse order of disassembly. * Check the operation of the winch, if possible before that important race. A Barient - Barlow Maintenance Manual From the Aloha Owners: http://www.alohaowners.com/pages/manuals/files/barlow-barient%20winch.pdf and from: http://www.sailboatowners.com/upload/display.tpl?folder=Rich73086573207&fno=17 HTH Gord
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Wright Ellis
I did it last week
The instructions GordMay posted are accurate. I downloaded the ones from the Aussie website. The top nut came right off(using a screwdriver in one hole and the winch handle as the spanner). All the pawls stayed put and the bearings didn't fall out. I greased, oiled and reassembled three winches in about 45 minutes, working slowly since it was my first attempt. Do it, it's easy.
The instructions GordMay posted are accurate. I downloaded the ones from the Aussie website. The top nut came right off(using a screwdriver in one hole and the winch handle as the spanner). All the pawls stayed put and the bearings didn't fall out. I greased, oiled and reassembled three winches in about 45 minutes, working slowly since it was my first attempt. Do it, it's easy.
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Colin
Use a bucket!!!
If you are doing this with your boat in the water, cut a hole in the bottom of a cheap plastic bucket. The hole should be the same size as the base of your winch. Drop the bucket over your winch prior to dismatling it, if you drop anything, the bucket will prevent it from going into the deep blue yonder.
If you are doing this with your boat in the water, cut a hole in the bottom of a cheap plastic bucket. The hole should be the same size as the base of your winch. Drop the bucket over your winch prior to dismatling it, if you drop anything, the bucket will prevent it from going into the deep blue yonder.
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Steve Green
Winch rebuild
I just rebuilt the barlow 19's on my 1989 Hunter 26.5 using the instructions downloaded from the web that were almost identical to those in GordMay's ealier response. Only difference was that I chose to remove the winches from the boat by unbolting them. This still required that I take the retaining nut and drum off, but since some of the ratchet pawl springs decided to go AWOL during the rebuild (I did find them on the floor of the garage - it needed sweeping anyway) I am glad that I took them off or I would have lost the springs in the drink. It is a good idea to rebed your deck hardware once in awhile anyway.
I just rebuilt the barlow 19's on my 1989 Hunter 26.5 using the instructions downloaded from the web that were almost identical to those in GordMay's ealier response. Only difference was that I chose to remove the winches from the boat by unbolting them. This still required that I take the retaining nut and drum off, but since some of the ratchet pawl springs decided to go AWOL during the rebuild (I did find them on the floor of the garage - it needed sweeping anyway) I am glad that I took them off or I would have lost the springs in the drink. It is a good idea to rebed your deck hardware once in awhile anyway.
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