MacGregor To Cease Production

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Nov 23, 2011
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MacGregor 26D London Ontario Canada
This is a copy of what I posted on the other site.
I wonder why they were measuring the 26D hull a while back?
Hmm.
Roger deserves a long happy retirement.
He has done on heck of a job opening up a sport to the masses.
 

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
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Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
This is a copy of what I posted on the other site.
I wonder why they were measuring the 26D hull a while back?
Hmm.
Roger deserves a long happy retirement.
He has done on heck of a job opening up a sport to the masses.
I believe that had nothing to do with the boats his kids might produce. I think it was to see how good the CFD software is that they might be using for the 70 that they are working on (high dollar boat--limited production that we saw when we visited the factory). I think they put in the data for a D and then used one to see how close the computer's output is to the real boat. If it is close then maybe they can trust the computer's output for the 70. My guess.

The boats the kids are suppose to make in Florida are a 26 that is similar to the 26 M, but supposedly not the M, and a 22 of unknown design. There is no mention though that they are getting the molds for the present 26 M. Strange?

Sum

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Nov 23, 2011
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MacGregor 26D London Ontario Canada
I believe that had nothing to do with the boats his kids might produce. I think it was to see how good the CFD software is that they might be using for the 70 that they are working on (high dollar boat--limited production that we saw when we visited the factory). I think they put in the data for a D and then used one to see how close the computer's output is to the real boat. If it is close then maybe they can trust the computer's output for the 70. My guess.

The boats the kids are suppose to make in Florida are a 26 that is similar to the 26 M, but supposedly not the M, and a 22 of unknown design. There is no mention though that they are getting the molds for the present 26 M. Strange?

Sum
I recall the discussion of the 26D #'s being used for the 70'.
I am skeptical that the 26D design will transfer to a 70'. I think there must be a better shape overall. Maybe the idea isn't to just stretch it out in different spots.
I think todays boat makers seem to be aiming toward a planing hull shape. (Maybe I'm on the SA site too much.)
On Thursday I was at the Toronto boat show and noticed the large sailboats all had nice wide butts with lots of access for stern docking. (That didn't come out right...)
I see postings noting that they had to measure it for the 70. Then I've seen posting saying that all the 26'ers were computer Designed.
I'm just having a hard time convincing myself that the company couldn't just use design software to copy the hull shape. (I've seen an app that will do that!) As simple as downloading a picture or 2! Heck, walk around anything while videoing and get a 3D drawing in the end.
That's why I'm kind of skeptical.
 

walt

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Jun 1, 2007
3,535
Macgregor 26S Hobie TI Ridgway Colorado
Sorry to see this happen, I sure have enjoyed my 22 year old 26S..

What ever happened with that 26D accident in San Diego several years ago? Lawsuit?
 
Nov 23, 2011
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MacGregor 26D London Ontario Canada
I think there may be an old thread about that some place here.
 
May 4, 2005
4,062
Macgregor 26d Ft Lauderdale, Fl
Sorry to see this happen, I sure have enjoyed my 22 year old 26S..

What ever happened with that 26D accident in San Diego several years ago? Lawsuit?
pretty sure the uscg said it was overloaded and the cause of the incident.

but it was updated in the 'heart of sailing' thread...

sailnet and SA also had multiple treads...
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
I recall the discussion of the 26D #'s being used for the 70'.
I am skeptical that the 26D design will transfer to a 70'. I think there must be a better shape overall. Maybe the idea isn't to just stretch it out in different spots.
I think todays boat makers seem to be aiming toward a planing hull shape. (Maybe I'm on the SA site too much.)
On Thursday I was at the Toronto boat show and noticed the large sailboats all had nice wide butts with lots of access for stern docking. (That didn't come out right...)
I see postings noting that they had to measure it for the 70. Then I've seen posting saying that all the 26'ers were computer Designed.
I'm just having a hard time convincing myself that the company couldn't just use design software to copy the hull shape. (I've seen an app that will do that!) As simple as downloading a picture or 2! Heck, walk around anything while videoing and get a 3D drawing in the end.
That's why I'm kind of skeptical.
Solidworks, the design app used to model almost new boat by the big designers, has a plug-in to do that. You attach reflective stickers to the existing hull, and take pictures from several angles. Import the pictures to SW, and tell the app what dots are the same on each picture. It then creates a solid. Very cool. There's a vid of that on YouTube somewhere. Pretty sure roger didn't use SW however, all his designed predate it.
 

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
5,254
Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
I recall the discussion of the 26D #'s being used for the 70'.
I am skeptical that the 26D design will transfer to a 70'. I think there must be a better shape overall. Maybe the idea isn't to just stretch it out in different spots.
I think todays boat makers seem to be aiming toward a planing hull shape. (Maybe I'm on the SA site too much.)
On Thursday I was at the Toronto boat show and noticed the large sailboats all had nice wide butts with lots of access for stern docking. (That didn't come out right...)
I see postings noting that they had to measure it for the 70. Then I've seen posting saying that all the 26'ers were computer Designed.
I'm just having a hard time convincing myself that the company couldn't just use design software to copy the hull shape. (I've seen an app that will do that!) As simple as downloading a picture or 2! Heck, walk around anything while videoing and get a 3D drawing in the end.
That's why I'm kind of skeptical.
I'm not saying they are coping the hull shape, but the 70 we saw was pretty close to the old 65-70 and they are very similar to stretched S and D's.

What I was trying to say is that if they have CFD software (Computational Fluid Dynamics) they are trying to use (not solid works) they might want to see how accurate it is on predicting results. If they run the CFD software on a D and then go out and put the D through some rear world conditions and then see if the CFD predictions are correct then they might also hope the predictions are correct on the new design.

I don't think testing the old D that was loaned to them had anything to do with future 26 foot boats. It sounds like the boats that the kids might build in Florida are an entirely different issue. If the CFD software is reliable then possibly it might also be used for future boat designs created by the new company.

This is all speculation on my part and they might not even be using CFD software and the D might not of had anything to do with the new big boat but I'd put some money down that it did :).

Being retired myself and no longer having to deal with a business and immensely enjoying it I can only hope the same for Roger and his wife,

Sum

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Aug 7, 2011
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MacGregor 26S Lakeland, FL
Sumner, I think you're right. They had a boat that they knew the performance of, probably not actual sailing performance, but frictional forces, eddy patterns, etc., and they compare that to the model in order to tweak the model. Then they can count on the model being correct for when they apply the calcs to the 70' boat design, they'll know how it performs. You had it right, and I'd bet that along with you... ;)
 
Feb 20, 2011
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Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
Mac 65 for sale in Ensenada, MX. The guy wants to start at $190+.

Everything abovedecks is brand new, but I haven't seen below, yet.

He stated that he was unaware of Roger's decision.
 

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May 16, 2007
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Boatless ! 26 Ottawa, Ontario
the new Mac ?

I am a former Mac 26S owner. I am in Stuart Florida on our Hunter 356.

I was looking for a local boat parts supplier and stumbled upon a shop gearing up to build sailboats. He said they had just moved there from California and were going to build 26 and 22 ft power trailer sailors.

Here is the web site if anyone wants more information,
http://www.tattooyachts.com/about-us/

fair winds, Bob

(former owner of Watermark,
91 26S)
 
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