mac venture 21

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fido

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Feb 7, 2010
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catalina catalina 27 lake simcoe ont
hello to all
I just bought my brother a mac 21, it has a rather large head sail that does not seem to be fractional, is the second head stay required with this application it seems a little odd, or does this relive stay pressure from the port starboard and stern stay and if so is this application still required



thanks Steve
 
MrUnix

MrUnix

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Mar 24, 2010
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Hunter 23 Gainesville, FL
The venture 21 is a cutter rig (two head sails.. a jib and a stay sail), not a sloop. When I had my V21, I only had a jib that was sized to hank onto the inner forestay, and that is the way I used it. I don't think it would be a good idea to remove either one as they were designed to have both, but I'm not a sailboat designer so perhaps someone with more insight will speak up about doing so.

Cheers,
Brad
 
Joe11688

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Jan 24, 2005
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Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
fido said:
hello to all
I just bought my brother a mac 21, it has a rather large head sail that does not seem to be fractional, is the second head stay required with this application it seems a little odd, or does this relive stay pressure from the port starboard and stern stay and if so is this application still required



thanks Steve
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Steve,
I think that it's a great idea to have that outer fore stay on that boat even if you don't sail the boat as a cutter. It makes for a perfect backup stay if a roller furler is ever added to this boat. It's not unusual for a fore stay to break with a furler attached to it. A friend of mine added an extra fore stay to his Seaward 22 sloop for that reason.
Joe
 
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fido

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Feb 7, 2010
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catalina catalina 27 lake simcoe ont
thanks for the info I had no idea that such a small boat would be gigged as a cutter I though it might have been rigged by some one with a wacky smoke on hand

thx Steve
 
cephius (Dave)

cephius (Dave)

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May 25, 2004
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Hunter 260 Pepin, WI
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Fido,
Here's what Wikipedia has to say.
The cutter is similar to a sloop with a single mast and mainsail, but generally carries the mast further aft to allow for the use of two head sails attached to two fore stays, the head stay and the inner stay, which carry the jib and stay sail respectively. This is rarely considered a racing configuration; however, it gives versatility to cruising boats, especially in high wind conditions, when a small jib can be flown from the inner stay.
Importantly, the traditional and most accurate definition of a true cutter, however, is not in the number of headsails, but rather that the outermost sails are set on stays that are not strictly structural to the rig itself. This in itself is a function of a much more complicated design set, involving mast placement, mast height, rig, boom length and fore-triangle size.
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Will you buy me a boat too? :eek:
 
oldiesrocker2001

oldiesrocker2001

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Jun 8, 2004
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Macgregor 21 Clinton, NJ
Now this has got me to thinkin'.. My V21 also has 2 stay holes to attach to, but they appear too close together (I think not much more than an inch) to work with my CDI furler attached to one. I generally attach the furler to the most aft placed hole. has mine been modified or is a different furling system generally used on the venture? :confused:
 
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CharlieCobra

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May 5, 2006
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Knutson K-35 Yawl Bellingham
The standard tang for the forestay on most Ventures has two holes an inch apart. Any V-21's in cutter config were converted by PO's since the Venture 21 was designed as a sloop. I use the inner hole for the forestay and the outer for an Assym chute.
 
MrUnix

MrUnix

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Mar 24, 2010
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Hunter 23 Gainesville, FL
My V21 had two forestays, and it sure appeared to be a factory install. Keep in mind, the V21's were in production from 1966 to 1985 and went through a lot of design changes during those years (as well as a name change in 79/80 from Venture 21 to MacGregor 21). I know that some of the early V21's were setup as frational sloops.. I have also seen masthead rigs, cutter rigged like the one I had, some with backstays, some without (and the shrouds moved aft to compensate for it), along with various other changes to hardware placement and layout.

IMHO, if Steve has a cutter rig, then he found a great boat for his brother.. you have much more flexability with sail selection to match weather conditions than a typical sloop rigged boat. Before I bought my current H23, I was seriously looking for a Venture of Newport 23 cutter rig, but those are hard to find these days in good condition.

Cheers,
Brad
 
timebandit

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Jun 3, 2004
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Macgregor 25 So. Cal.
Two holes an inch apart?

One for the stay and one for the tack of the head sail.
 
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