mac 25 boom vang connection?... preventor?

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Mar 20, 2012
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on my 25 the vang connection to the boom is only about 18 inches from the mast.... is this the normal connection point? I am sure it is connected there so that the vang can be used while the poptop is up, but it seems like for any serious sailing there will be an awful lot of stress in a very short area due to lack of proper leverage.
on other most other small boats its 3-5ft from the mast and that is where I would like to connect it to the boom on my boat.....
for those of you with a boom brake/preventor setup, how/where do you have it connected to the boom and boat?...... thanks
 
Feb 20, 2011
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Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
on my 25 the vang connection to the boom is only about 18 inches from the mast.... is this the normal connection point? I am sure it is connected there so that the vang can be used while the poptop is up, but it seems like for any serious sailing there will be an awful lot of stress in a very short area due to lack of proper leverage.
on other most other small boats its 3-5ft from the mast and that is where I would like to connect it to the boom on my boat.....
for those of you with a boom brake/preventor setup, how/where do you have it connected to the boom and boat?...... thanks
Having the boom vang within a couple feet of the mast gives it very little mechanical advantage. When using my vang, the pop-top is down.

As far as preventers go, I just tie a line to the aft end of the boom, lead it out past the shrouds, around a midship cleat and back to the cabin top. Easy to rig and release.
 

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
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Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
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for those of you with a boom brake/preventor setup, how/where do you have it connected to the boom and boat?...... thanks
Here is info on our...



...preventer setup which we couldn't live without....

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/macgregor/rigging-9.html

We also have a vang that we use when we remember to :redface: and the pop-top would have to be down on our boat to use it, but we never sail or motor with it up,

Sum

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Oct 30, 2011
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MacGregor 25 Baldwin County, AL
Hi, I am new to sailing. What is the purpose for the boom vang and a preventer?
Tom
 

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
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Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
Hi, I am new to sailing. What is the purpose for the boom vang and a preventer?
Tom
If you are running with the wind coming from astern the sail wants to billow up and lift the boom with it. The main sheet usually isn't much help as it has lost its leverage with the boom way out over the side of the boat.

The vang, in our case a block and tackle setup, pulls the boom down since the tackle goes from the boom down to the mast. There are other types that don't employ the block and tackle.

The preventer stops damage to you and/or the boat. Again going down wind it is easy to have an accidental jibe where the boom swings all the way from one side of the boat to the other. It can do this suddenly and without warning and if you escape getting hit by the boom it will still be an 'o-sh*t' moment. The preventer line holds the boom to one side until you allow it to cross over to the other side,

Sum

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Mar 20, 2012
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Cal 34-III, MacGregor 25 Salem, Oregon
Here is info on our...



...preventer setup which we couldn't live without....

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/macgregor/rigging-9.html

We also have a vang that we use when we remember to :redface: and the pop-top would have to be down on our boat to use it, but we never sail or motor with it up,

Sum

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Sumner, I cant really tell which line is what in your photo..... do you have your preventor connected to the boom at the same point as your vang, or do you connect to the boom end? where do you connect forward?
I agree that while underway having the poptop up isnt worth the risk...

on my 21 I had a figure-8 rappelling 'biner and had the line anchored to one side of the boat near the chainplate, then laced thru the fig-8, and then thru a turning block on the other side (near the chainplate) then ran to the cabintop so that I could tension the line as needed and use it as a boom brake as well as a preventor..... by pulling the line down tight I could lock to boom in any position I wanted. I am trying to figure out a good spot to anchor it to my deck on the 25..... or maybe to the base of my forward stanchion posts?...
 

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
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Sumner, I cant really tell which line is what in your photo......


Lots of lines and arrows :doh:. There are 2 preventer lines and they both attach where the main sheet attaches, top left arrow. I don't think there would be enough leverage if they were at the bail for the vang. Since the boom is off to the port side the starboard preventer is slack above and is shown by the bottom 2 arrows.

The preventer, port side being used, runs forward (top 2 middle arrows)...




.... to a block that is...



... tied to the bottom of the stanchion behind the anchor rode bag above. From there the line runs aft using the base of a stanchion as a fair-lead to a cam cleat to the left of the winch on the cabin top (see first picture). The line then runs down to a cleat on the coaming...



... on each side (arrows in front of Ruth). The cleats might not be needed, but I worried about the cam locks taking the load which can be a lot at times. So far the cam locks have held fine as is evidenced by the slack lines at the cleats. If you go to this link...

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/macgregor/rigging-9.html

...you can see the jury rigged, one line only and then 2 lines, that we rigged up on the Lake Powell trip after an accidental jibe that got our attention. Lots more info there. There I just tied to cleats and didn't have the cam locks. That also works fine, I just like the quick release and connect that the cam locks provide. That also makes it easier/faster to adjust where the boom is once you set the preventers if a change is needed.

The bad thing about a single line is that you have to get it around the mast each time you jibe and you can't control the boom during a jibe with a single line. Not a big pain if you are running a long time in the same direction and the wind doesn't change. Lake sailing that just doesn't happen so the 2 lines are much better.

With two preventers you can control the jibe if you have someone on the rudder. Pull the boom to center by feeding out the line on one side and taking it in on the other not letting slack in either line. Then at center do the opposite. If the wind isn't real high you can control the boom and not have it take off on its own as you move it from side to side.

I am going to also put preventers on the Endeavour. We now wouldn't sail without them. We are far from experienced sailors. The more experience one gets the more they can push the limits.

If the above isn't clear ask more,

Sum

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Mar 20, 2012
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Sumner, thank you. your explaination is all perfectly clear. with the smaller boat, I too had a jibe that wasnt as pleasant as it could have been, and your right, it DOES get a persons attention. when I added and experimented with the preventor, i didnt realize just how much difference it would make..... I want to add one on the 25 before my attention gets "got" again...:eek:
 
Apr 24, 2006
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Aloha 32 Toronto, Lake Ontario
A full width traveller can also constrain the boom in an accidental gybe. Having it fully to the downwind side (with the car almost directly under the boom) lets you adjust boom position like a vang but also stops the boom moving more than a foot or two in a gybe. "Accidentally" proved this works several times over the past two weeks - no lumps on the head!

Chris
 
Oct 30, 2011
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MacGregor 25 Baldwin County, AL
Thanks Sumner, I hit my head almost everyday so I sure don't need that on the boat also, will rig something up.
Tom
 
Mar 20, 2012
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Cal 34-III, MacGregor 25 Salem, Oregon
A full width traveller can also constrain the boom in an accidental gybe. Having it fully to the downwind side (with the car almost directly under the boom) lets you adjust boom position like a vang but also stops the boom moving more than a foot or two in a gybe. "Accidentally" proved this works several times over the past two weeks - no lumps on the head!

Chris
Chris, I really like the concept of the mainsheet traveller and its advantages. I can see how it could help keep the boom from jibeing, but im not ready to deal with the disadvantages of having one:neutral: I really like my cockpit space and mounting a traveller system far back on the taffrail where it would keep the cockpit area clear seems like it would be defeating the purpose of it. so i suppose for now im stuck with the conventional macgregor mainsheet lacing......:)
 

Kestle

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Jun 12, 2011
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MacGregor 25 San Pedro
A full width traveler is harder on the sail in a gybe than with a preventer...there's quite a twist to the leach, when the head comes over but the foot doesn't.

Jeff
 
Apr 24, 2006
868
Aloha 32 Toronto, Lake Ontario
Makes sense but still get about a foot and a half of boom travel.
The preventer I used prior was a short line with two caribeners. One clips to the main sheet bail and the other end to a mid- staunchon base (this on a 26S).
Boom travel was pretty much the same - ' bout a foot and a half.

Maybe it'll speed up replacement of our main (it's old) :)

Chris
 
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