Looking for opinions on sanitation systems.

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Dec 6, 2010
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Catalina 30 City Island
My recently purchased boat does not have a legal sanitation system. I'm going fix this but am wondering how much to do. I have a Raritan PHII toilet from what I can tell in good condition. It was connected directly to a Groco SV seacock that was nonfunctional. The backing plate of this seacock was plywood which has disintegrated. My boat is a Catalina 27 dinette and all the sanitation plumbing is under the forward dinette seat. There are 3 thru hulls in this space the Sanitary out, the flush water intake and the depth transducer. With all this stuff the only tank I can fit here is a 10 gallon tank, I've fit a box the same size in this space its tight but it can get in.

I'm planning to use the boat for 2 -3 day weekend outings in Long Island Sound with my wife and kid and possibly another couple possibly a kid or 2. Maybe longer cruises up to a week, mostly in the Sound, block Island, Martha's Vineyard etc. Not expecting much travel in open ocean.

This is my first boat so I'm open to every bodies input. One recommendation has been to trash it all and get a port-a-potty. I imagine this thing sloshing around and it skeeves me out a bit. I see my options are as follows, in decreasing cost and work.

1. Remove existing thru hull, patch hull, install new thru hull and seacock in new location, 20 gallon tank, tank pumpout to deck or manual pump of tank to sea, when in open water.

2. Replace existing thru hull with new seacock in existing location, 10 gallon tank, tank pump out to deck and manual tank dump to sea when in open water, or variation, toilet discharge direct to sea when in open water.

3. Remove existing thru hull, patch hull, 20 gallon tank, tank pumpout to deck only, no dump to sea or toilet flush overboard.

4. Chuck it all and get a port-a-potty.

Again, I image I'll be in coastal waters, ie No discharge zone 98% of the time. I want to have friends on board and use this for extended periods up to a week or 10 days.

If I go with a 10 gallon tank will that be enough for the usage I'm looking at? Is there any value in having an overboard tank dump or toilet flush directly overboard?
 
Dec 2, 1997
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I suggest you start by reading this recent HM forum thread

http://forums.hunter.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=123402

IMO, it's the best answer for your intended use of the boat. Any separate toilet/holding tank combo that could hold anywhere near as much would eat up at least 1/3 of the already limited amount of storage space.

Your estimates of how much anything can hold are just a WEE tad optimiistic! ;) You want to be able to put 4 adults and at least two children on the boat for a 3 day weekend. The average adult uses the toilet 5x/24 hours..the avg small child up to 7x. So that would be approx 35 flushes/day. Your PH II is a fine toilet, but the avg volume/flush is about 1/2 gal...so you'd need a at least a 17 gal tank to last just one overnight...a 35 gallon tank to last a weekend! Otoh, a self-contained "MSD" portapotty (read the thread) holds 50-60 flushes...you'd need an extra tank to last 3 days, but it would be do-able. As for it sloshing around a bit...no more or less than a 20-50 gallon tank, so that's not an issue.

You asked, "If I go with a 10 gallon tank will that be enough for the usage I'm looking at? Is there any value in having an overboard tank dump or toilet flush directly overboard?"

The answer to both questions is no.

Hooboy....4 adults and two kids on a 27' sailboat for 3 days...:eek:
 
Dec 6, 2010
50
Catalina 30 City Island
Thanks Peggy very helpful information, by the way I did buy your book. It seems the tank I can fit in the space as is, is just big enough to be useless. I'm not sure how large a tank I could fit in the space once I get the dump thru hull out but the 10 gallon tank was 280 from raritan. The thetford toilet and tank is cheeper easier to deal with, more effcient in terms of volume per flush and apparently far less work to install. I need to build a platform to mount the port a potty on, i'll fiberglass it to have a sanitary surface that's a much easier carpentry project rather than all that plumbing. I also just gained a big chunk of storage. The question now becomes do I trust myself to patch the hull below the waterline.
 
Dec 2, 1997
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"Just big enough to be useless"

Great description! :)

The online store right here on this site has the Thetford 365 MSD and everything else you need for prices you aren't likely to beat anywhere else...and you support this site.
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You'll want to use Trident 101 (black) or 102 sanitation hose for the pumpout line, Trident or Shields #148 for the vent line. A deck pumpout fitting and a vent thru-hull are the only other things you'll need.

About the vent thru-hull...don't use VENT thru-hull...they're designed be a universal fitting that can be used for fuel and water tanks too...they don't allow enough air to pass through 'em. Use a plain ol' thru-hull like this one.

Btw...your PH II toilet is TOP rated, so don't just chuck it...sell it! I can give you an idea of what it's worth if you can tell me how old it is.
 

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Apr 18, 2010
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Bristol 27 Southwest Harbor
Where do you install the vent?

Great description! :)
About the vent thru-hull...don't use VENT thru-hull...they're designed be a universal fitting that can be used for fuel and water tanks too...they don't allow enough air to pass through 'em. Use a plain ol' thru-hull like this one.
Where do people install one like that? Having and old school, narrow sailboat the rail is more often at water level than new wide boats. I was originally planning a fuel like vent in the side of the cabin top.

Thanks,

Mike
 
Dec 2, 1997
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Put a clamshell cover on it.

Install the thru-hull just below the toe rail and put a nice high clam shell on it, open at the aft end. That'll keep the water out when your rails are in the water.
 
Dec 6, 2010
50
Catalina 30 City Island
Hi Peggy,

To up date this I have my platform built, I have the toilet, the thru hulls are out, the hull is patched, this weekend I just finished painting so the next step is installation. I have a thru deck for the pump out hose. The vent line I have the thru hull as you recommended, and will install just below my bumper rail. I'm concerned about this possibly being in the water. Should I loop the vent line up above the waterline with one of those vented loops? I'm worried about the vent being in the water and overflowing the port a potty. I've seen some diagrams showing this vent exiting the side of the cabin top. which I wouldn't want to do for the tubes flying all over the place in the head and the potential smell of sewage on deck. I'm thinking on the side of the boat is more discrete, though potentially just as smelly. Do you have any thoughts on this? Do I even need a air break againat a siphon or would just a loop of hose work? or would the added length of hose and circuitous path defeat the vent's intent?

Thanks,
John Rolka
 
Dec 2, 1997
8,946
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A clamshell cover over the thru-hull will solve that problem

Do NOT put an arch in the line...just the clamshell...and make sure the opening is at the AFT end. When the rails are in the water, water will flow over the clamshell instead of into the vent line.
 
Dec 6, 2010
50
Catalina 30 City Island
Well the toilet is installed, per the recommendations above, its worked great, my wife and daughter are very happy with it.
 
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