I have a Cherubini H33 (1978) which I am renovating. This particular boat has 3' long X 9" high port lights on each side of the cabin. Not sure if these were replacements for standard opening ports or not since the interior cabin walls were roughly cut out to fit the port lights. The plexiglass cannot be removed without destroying the plastic port light frames. The condition of these lights require replacement. Has anyone ever seen another Cherubini 33 with these type port lights? I am looking for a source to buy replacements since I don't want to go through the the big job of fiberglassing in the openings and placing normal opening ports in the cabin walls. Any help would be appreciated.
Looking for Hunter 33 (1978) portlights
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These three foot long portlights are of the opening type? I never saw a Cherubini pre-1980 with anything but the 5x12s and 7x14s. One of the H33 owners will know better.
These three foot long portlights are of the opening type? I never saw a Cherubini pre-1980 with anything but the 5x12s and 7x14s. One of the H33 owners will know better.
H33 Port Lights
Ed, It might be the old opening ports were all cut out to accomodate the long port lights at sometime in the boat's life. I have searched the web and can't find another H33 with the long ports either. As I mentioned, the opening in the cabin sides looked like they were poorly cut out. I removed the interior port frame and I can see portions of the plywood laminate. I am considering fiberglassing everything shut and recut the sides for 7X14 ports. Thanks for your message.
Ed, It might be the old opening ports were all cut out to accomodate the long port lights at sometime in the boat's life. I have searched the web and can't find another H33 with the long ports either. As I mentioned, the opening in the cabin sides looked like they were poorly cut out. I removed the interior port frame and I can see portions of the plywood laminate. I am considering fiberglassing everything shut and recut the sides for 7X14 ports. Thanks for your message.
H30 Fixed Ports
Don't know if it applies to the H33, but, on my 78 H30, we have (or rather had) fixed ports that were about 3' x 8.5", and sloped on the back end. These were plastic framed, made by Go Industries. Through the HOW forums, I learned that Marks Plastics can make replacements for these. I chose instead to replace them with Aluminum framed fixed ports, custom made by Bomon (their website is below). The plastic frame windows were around $200 ea., and the aluminum framed from Bomon were about $240 ea. Bomon requires a full set of dimensions per their worksheet, and a 40% deposit. Delivery was 5-6 weeks during the busy Spring season. They are very easy to install and use a gasket instead of caulk to seal. The inner frame sandwiches the cabin side and screws to the outer frame.
Don't know if it applies to the H33, but, on my 78 H30, we have (or rather had) fixed ports that were about 3' x 8.5", and sloped on the back end. These were plastic framed, made by Go Industries. Through the HOW forums, I learned that Marks Plastics can make replacements for these. I chose instead to replace them with Aluminum framed fixed ports, custom made by Bomon (their website is below). The plastic frame windows were around $200 ea., and the aluminum framed from Bomon were about $240 ea. Bomon requires a full set of dimensions per their worksheet, and a 40% deposit. Delivery was 5-6 weeks during the busy Spring season. They are very easy to install and use a gasket instead of caulk to seal. The inner frame sandwiches the cabin side and screws to the outer frame.
Check out the photo forum
The port lights were the one thing that I decided not to replace when I overhauled my H33. Maybe next year.... In any case, check out my old posting in the photo forum to see how your efforts will pay off. Good luck and have fun!
The port lights were the one thing that I decided not to replace when I overhauled my H33. Maybe next year.... In any case, check out my old posting in the photo forum to see how your efforts will pay off. Good luck and have fun!
H33 long sloped port light replacement
Brett, I appreciate your response and the information your provided has helped me make my decision on how to replace these ports. After studying the other postings, I think I will go with fiberglassing the long port openings closed and re-cut the openings to fit the Trimatrix opening ports. The cost will be about the same to take this route verses buying non-opening ports. I have the skills to do the entire job myself. I think the traditional style opening ports look more attractive on this boat and it would be great to have cross ventilation. Okinawa is subtropical and very humid. Those of you in the Northern U.S. are hauling out for the winter. We sail all year here and the water is totally awsome. With any luck I will keep everyone posted on my progress and note lessons learned etc. This is an awsome site and I am greatful for everyone's postings so we can share information for the good all reading them.
Brett, I appreciate your response and the information your provided has helped me make my decision on how to replace these ports. After studying the other postings, I think I will go with fiberglassing the long port openings closed and re-cut the openings to fit the Trimatrix opening ports. The cost will be about the same to take this route verses buying non-opening ports. I have the skills to do the entire job myself. I think the traditional style opening ports look more attractive on this boat and it would be great to have cross ventilation. Okinawa is subtropical and very humid. Those of you in the Northern U.S. are hauling out for the winter. We sail all year here and the water is totally awsome. With any luck I will keep everyone posted on my progress and note lessons learned etc. This is an awsome site and I am greatful for everyone's postings so we can share information for the good all reading them.
Carpet on cabin wall of H33
Marvin, Could you please outline the method for attaching carpeting on the hull and cabin walls on your H33? The after photos show you certainly did a lot of work and added value to your boat. I have foam backed vinyl (standard I think). The foam has been wet many times in places and is falling apart. I would rather add carpet to complement the new cushions I will be having made. Thanks,
Marvin, Could you please outline the method for attaching carpeting on the hull and cabin walls on your H33? The after photos show you certainly did a lot of work and added value to your boat. I have foam backed vinyl (standard I think). The foam has been wet many times in places and is falling apart. I would rather add carpet to complement the new cushions I will be having made. Thanks,
Carpet
Real simple procedure. I went with a velcro application so that I can remove the carpet easily for cleaning if the boat leaks again (which it most certainly will some day). 1. Remove all old carpet. Use a wire brush to scrub remaining foam particles from walls (no need to be perfect here). This is not fun and very messy. 2. Buy some construction paper and cut to rough size of wall being covered. Once it's up on the wall you can make the exact cuts to make the perfect template. 3. Transfer templates to the carpet you wish to install and cut out accordingly. Be sure to use fresh blades to optimize cutting ease. Also be sure to leave about an 1/8" around all edges for the border. 4. Confirm cut outs fit to desired wall spaces then bring to any local carpet shop and ask them to sew matching borders. ($75-) 5. Buy industrial 1" Velcro tape and one Liquid Nails caulking tube and glue small pieces of velcro to hull and back of carpet. Let stand until fully dry. 6. Place carpet and enjoy. Now that I write it out it sounds bit more labor intensive than I remember, but it was rather easy other than the mess of wire brushing of the old foam backing. Good luck!
Real simple procedure. I went with a velcro application so that I can remove the carpet easily for cleaning if the boat leaks again (which it most certainly will some day). 1. Remove all old carpet. Use a wire brush to scrub remaining foam particles from walls (no need to be perfect here). This is not fun and very messy. 2. Buy some construction paper and cut to rough size of wall being covered. Once it's up on the wall you can make the exact cuts to make the perfect template. 3. Transfer templates to the carpet you wish to install and cut out accordingly. Be sure to use fresh blades to optimize cutting ease. Also be sure to leave about an 1/8" around all edges for the border. 4. Confirm cut outs fit to desired wall spaces then bring to any local carpet shop and ask them to sew matching borders. ($75-) 5. Buy industrial 1" Velcro tape and one Liquid Nails caulking tube and glue small pieces of velcro to hull and back of carpet. Let stand until fully dry. 6. Place carpet and enjoy. Now that I write it out it sounds bit more labor intensive than I remember, but it was rather easy other than the mess of wire brushing of the old foam backing. Good luck!
TWO GENERATIONS of Hunter 33
There were TWO different deck designs on the Hunter 33. The break appears to be at 1978. '78n and prior had a sloped deck somewhat like the Raider 33 and the later Hunter 34 and it's brethren. Or is that sisteren? 1979 and later had a more level, squared off cabin trunk reminiscent of the Cape Dory, Ranger and so-on. The early design had the long, low fixed lights while the later version had the 10 opening ports, 5 per side. The early also had an opening port on the aft bulkhead opening from the head out to the cockpit. How friendly. I assume to enable the captain to remain in contact with the crew as he took care of things. Thankfully that went away with the later design. Despite owning the later design I think the sloped deck is probably a more attractive design. However, it is a bit of a head banger in that the overhead slopes down toward your head and before you know it you need an aspirin. The only time a 5' 10" person such as myself has to duck on the way forward in the later is at the V berth bulkhead where it hangs down a wee bit. Just enough to get me. Ultimate head room on the later is about 6' 3" at the base of the companion ladder. I believe it is about 3 inches less on the earlier. Other owners should be able to confirm or refute that Having been on Don Bodeman's former '77 Hunter 33, I can assure you the long, shallow fixed lights are original. I can also tell you that the appearance that they were cut into the cabin side with a machete is also original. Hunter back in those days didn't need ham-fisted owners to do a hack job like that. The wood trim surrounding the openings was just as bad. The deck molds were actually quite different. The coach roof was a bit lower on the early version, cockpit benches were different, cockpit sole was a wee bit different. The winch pods were in the same relationship but a touch lower.. If you try to order bottom siders cushions they'll ask you which version you have. My guess has been that it was simply marketing. To move more units they had to make the interior more "Wife Friendly". In my case the interior feels more comfortable with all the head level space, while the older one felt cramped and small. It really was a feeling because as best I can tell, and I've looked at a good number on the hard, the hulls appear to be from the same mold. The interior layouts appear to be identical also. Having hacked away at the original openings to mount 11 NFM stainless ports I don't envy the job at all.
There were TWO different deck designs on the Hunter 33. The break appears to be at 1978. '78n and prior had a sloped deck somewhat like the Raider 33 and the later Hunter 34 and it's brethren. Or is that sisteren? 1979 and later had a more level, squared off cabin trunk reminiscent of the Cape Dory, Ranger and so-on. The early design had the long, low fixed lights while the later version had the 10 opening ports, 5 per side. The early also had an opening port on the aft bulkhead opening from the head out to the cockpit. How friendly. I assume to enable the captain to remain in contact with the crew as he took care of things. Thankfully that went away with the later design. Despite owning the later design I think the sloped deck is probably a more attractive design. However, it is a bit of a head banger in that the overhead slopes down toward your head and before you know it you need an aspirin. The only time a 5' 10" person such as myself has to duck on the way forward in the later is at the V berth bulkhead where it hangs down a wee bit. Just enough to get me. Ultimate head room on the later is about 6' 3" at the base of the companion ladder. I believe it is about 3 inches less on the earlier. Other owners should be able to confirm or refute that Having been on Don Bodeman's former '77 Hunter 33, I can assure you the long, shallow fixed lights are original. I can also tell you that the appearance that they were cut into the cabin side with a machete is also original. Hunter back in those days didn't need ham-fisted owners to do a hack job like that. The wood trim surrounding the openings was just as bad. The deck molds were actually quite different. The coach roof was a bit lower on the early version, cockpit benches were different, cockpit sole was a wee bit different. The winch pods were in the same relationship but a touch lower.. If you try to order bottom siders cushions they'll ask you which version you have. My guess has been that it was simply marketing. To move more units they had to make the interior more "Wife Friendly". In my case the interior feels more comfortable with all the head level space, while the older one felt cramped and small. It really was a feeling because as best I can tell, and I've looked at a good number on the hard, the hulls appear to be from the same mold. The interior layouts appear to be identical also. Having hacked away at the original openings to mount 11 NFM stainless ports I don't envy the job at all.
Carpet on the walls
Marvin, Thanks for the carpet installation instructions. After reading what you have done, I plan to do the same.
Marvin, Thanks for the carpet installation instructions. After reading what you have done, I plan to do the same.
2 Generations H33
Sam, Thanks for the H33 history leason, most informative. The cabin top on my boat is flat and at 6'2", I have no prolem walking into the v-birth. With long fixed ports and opening port at the foot of the companion way, it sounds like my boat is a cross between a 1977 and 1978. Since the cost to replace the long parts almost equates to the cost of Trimatrix opening ports, I think I will opt for the addtional work and go with opening ports. Thanks,
Sam, Thanks for the H33 history leason, most informative. The cabin top on my boat is flat and at 6'2", I have no prolem walking into the v-birth. With long fixed ports and opening port at the foot of the companion way, it sounds like my boat is a cross between a 1977 and 1978. Since the cost to replace the long parts almost equates to the cost of Trimatrix opening ports, I think I will opt for the addtional work and go with opening ports. Thanks,
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