Looking for boat - checked out a '71 Catalina 22

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Sep 19, 2006
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SCHOCK santana27' lake pleasant,az
tow truck alert

if you try towing any boat with a ford ranger it better have a manual trans or plan on spending alot in repairs the overdrive trans in these things is a retroed pinto trans my wife had one and the trans shop said go manual or go up but do not pull trailers with this trans
 
Sep 19, 2006
643
SCHOCK santana27' lake pleasant,az
death by sailboat

her xploder trans will not take the extra load (same trans as ranger)and if you kill her car where does that put you????????? if you liked your lido you probably wont be happy with a catalina find another santana faster and better built
 
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A Classic

This is a fairly clean example of a classic design. My first keelboat was a C22. After viewing your pics, I have the following comments I hope are helpful: 1) Everything topsides looks solid. Cosmetically, the deck will need some TLC. I can't tell if the all-tread is just dirty or worn away in places. Obviously, the fiberglass looks to need a good rubbing out/waxing. 2) Belowdecks, things are pretty tidy, but those cushions look a bit flaccid, and may be in need of replacement in the not-too-distant. The pull-out galley (a long rectangular component that resides under the starboard quarter and slides out on that groove in the fiberglass, where the main sink mates with that little drain basin you see on the bench) is missing, but this is the case with many older C22s. If you plan on any overnighting, you'll have to think through alternate galley equip. 3) PLEASE tie down that fuel container and battery box! I have a story to tell involving a small craft advisory that is as entertaining now as it was a disastrous mess then. 4) The Honda 8ph/four-stroke is a mighty fine little motor. Became my best friend many times. Haul in the truck bed, well tied-down. Bob (reply #9)'s comments about running the carb empty are right on: I used that few minutes to flush the engine by attaching a very large PVC bucket under the prop, filled with fresh water (raise motor, slip container under shaft, lower motor, fill w/ hose), and let it do it's thing while I secured the boat. When the motor quits, the carb is empty and the salt is flushed from the cooling channels. Some will argue that flushing after each use is not necessary, but as long as you are going to be burning the fuel, you might as well. One caveat: I found that it was easy to snap shear pins if I neglected to shift into gear from neutral at anything above absolute low-idle rpms. Maybe just me, but always having a couple off spares (they will be clipped onto the engine just under the cowling) gave me a sense of security. I got good at pulling the prop and popping a new pin in. All in all, a good deal, I'd say. Does the trailer play into your intended use? I used to summer slip mine, then store it on the trailer in an RV storage place in the off-season. One launch, with all the mast-raising chores, then turn-key availability all summer, then one de-rigging and pull-out at the end of the season, was sweet. Don't know much about transmissions, but if it's a short, flat distance to the ramp, and you'll be summer slipping like I did, then you're down to one round trip plus the haul-out per year, which will put the minimum strain on your tranny: another reason to consider this approach.
 
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Clayton Fawcett

U-Haul

If the Ranger makes you nervous, there may be a fairly easy solution... Just get a U-Haul for the day when you want to launch / retrieve the boat. They will have the weight you need on the ramp and most are already set-up for towing. If I remember correctly, most U-Haul places advertise one day local rentals for $19.95. Just a thought. Clayton Fawcett s/v Walkabout Hunter 26.5
 
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Daryl

C22 Towing

I had one for many years and towed it short distances with a 4 cyl Citation and a 4 cyl automatic Caravan. Towing it was never a problem but stopping it was more difficult. The old Ranger should GIT er DOne
 

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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
The maximum legal highway grade

in the USA is 10 % can you stop and then start your load on such a grade?
 
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Fred

You're missing the galley in the pictures

which is not too bad. C22 standard problems; Soft spots in deck, Keel loose in trunk, keel winch needs replaced, old aluminium spreader bases need replaced with new SS bases. The Catalina 22 list (link through Catalina Yachts website) has a really helpful and knowlegable group. C22s are great boats. Folks who have had them speak fondly of them years later.
 
Oct 30, 2006
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2 22 Renton, WA
Hmmm......

Thanks for the replies. Again it seems that opinions are about 8/10 sailors say the Ranger would work. I'm still not sure until I try pulling it out of the lake I guess. I just don't know. With my truck weighing just a bit under 4,000-lbs, it seems that 3,000+ lbs for a boat would be a bad idea right? Again, its only a 2.2 mile tow to the launch from home, but if I'm stuck in the water or at the bottom of the hill, that's not good either. Any opinions on something like a Macgregor 22? That's another boat I've been thinking of, and it seems to be about ~400+ lbs less than than the Catalina 22. I just haven't seen any advertised other than one that appeared to have a split keel - run away! Unless I just make a smaller upgrade to a Mac 21, forget about any fancy camping and day sail for a year or so, then upgrade again later....after getting a bigger truck. Ugh! I didn't think this would all be so complicated, but that's why I'm doing all this research and asking stupid questions! :) Oh, I should mention also my truck is an automatic. Tom
 
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Well

Tom, how many launches a season are you thinking about? If it's one splash for the season, renting a bigger truck for the haulout once at the end of the summer would be convenient. If you're talking about dry sailing (launching & retrieving the boat each time you want to use it), it's not practical to rent, and you'd be askng quite a bit from your Ranger. Maybe the boat's not the problem, but the truck? : ) Jeff
 
Oct 30, 2006
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2 22 Renton, WA
truck vs. boat

Not sure how much I would go out, but I'd like to do it whenever the weather is good on weekends that I'm not doing other things. I have an inherited 15 foot Bayliner at home that I would have used much more last summer if I hadn't spent most of the time working on the engine trying to keep it working. Long story on that boat....but I'll say that I'm pretty much done with motorboats after that ordeal! It was easy to just hook that up in about 1/2 hour and go down the street, dump it in the lake and go play for a few hours though. A bit more work with a sailboat though with the mast and other things though. I guess I have ideas of taking it down on a friday night, dumping it in the water, spending the night, then sailing all day saturday then going home or whatever. Maybe my ideas are a little bigger than reality and I should go from my 14 foot Lido to something like a Macgregor 21 for a few years, upgrade my truck during that time, then move up? Maybe that is the easier next step? It's been a long, dark, stormy winter so far here in Seattle, and it might be affecting my brain and sanity in negative ways too. :) Tom
 
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tom

Towed with a Chevy s10

Getting up the ramp is the hard part of pulling a boat. With 4 wheel drive just put it in low four and ease on up the ramp. The hardest part is stopping. Does the trailer have brakes??? I towed a C22 all over the place first with a Aerostar minivan with a 3 l v 6. Not extremely fast but no problems. then I got a 4.3 L S10 and towed the c22 and a Mac 26 sometimes several hundred miles over mountains(eastern mountains) and again the biggest problem is stopping. I almost had a wreck with the mac 26 when an idiot pulled in front of me and slammed on their brakes. The pavement was wet and I slid a lot and came within inches of ploughing into the idiot. Well I fixed the trailer's surge brakes and it was a different world. The Aerostar and S10 had trouble with ramps. I smoked the tires a couple of times. Finally I bought a little Toyoata Tacoma with four wheel drive and a 2.7 liter engine. Pulling up th eramp was no problem just put it in FWD low and idle up the ramp. The little 2.7 was better than the 4.3 in the S10 for towing. It doesn't have as much horsepower as the 4.3 but more torque. The aerostar and S10 were automatics and the toyota manual. I put a transmission oil cooler on the S10 the aerostar already had one. One note is that with a small engine you can't zoom up steep hills. You just have to let the engine work in a lower gear and take some time. I'm not talking creeping I am talking about going 45-50. But there aren't that many steep grades most places. The small truck will get the job done but just not as fast. Also your gas mileage will drop a lot!!! My S10 only got about 15 mpg towing the mac and usually got about 30. The toyota's mpg didn't drop as dramatically but it only gets about 22 mpg anyway.
 
Oct 30, 2006
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2 22 Renton, WA
tow

I live very close to Lake Washington (very large lake in Seattle with access to the sound through locks) so I would only need to tow down the hill to the launch. I don't care about mileage since its only a couple miles, and slow towing isn't a problem either since if I need to, I can creep home at 20 mph no freeway travel required since I'm very close to the launch. If someone wants to pass me since I'm not doing 35mph, they can do that. Just crawl up the hill about a mile, turn right at the 3rd light go 2 blocks and I'm home. Easy! (in theory) As for brakes on the trailer, I'm not sure if it has them or not. I haven't seen it yet, but might see it this weekend. So if all works as I plan, I can creep to the lake, then crawl back home. The whole trip should take 10 minutes or less each way. Just knowing if I can pull out of the lake and creep and crawl up home is my main concern. Slimy ramp shouldn't be a problem other than wet pavement since there aren't tides to worry about, it's fresh water, and the trailer does have the extension so the truck will be farther up the ramp from the water. Yeah, I'm researching this to death i know! Tom
 
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Ken

Towed my Hunter 240 with a 3.0 liter ranger

I towed my Hunter 240 (approx 4000 on the trailer) with a 3.0 liter ranger for a year. Mine was 2wd, there was never any problem getting out of the water on concrete ramps. the suspension was too light for the highway so I added heavy duty shocks in the back and that corrected the fishtailing and squatting from the tongue weight. With the shocks 70+ on flat Indiana roads was no problem. It would shift down to 2nd gear on a particularly steep hill the one time I towed to the south end of the state. I then upgraded to a Chevy Silverado - the boat weight is not a concern now. You should be fine with your neighborhood hauling.
 
Oct 30, 2006
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2 22 Renton, WA
Trailer and truck same weight

Ken, That sounds encouraging. Did you have any braking problems with the boat nearly the same weight as the Ranger, or did the trailer have brakes also? Tom
 
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