Looking for a Vega in EU

stevebirch2002 · Dec 18, 2006

Hi

I wish you luck in your search. There is no gurantee that an old engine
will last for 250 - 300 hours, especially the gasoline Albin 021/022 !!

Where do you live? Even if a Vega did fit in a container the cost of
transport would surprise you!

Very few, if any, Vegas have Osmosis so I do not see that as a problem.

Good luck in your search and keep us all informed about your search.

Cheers

Steve Birch (Technical)

stevebirch2002 · Dec 18, 2006

Hi

The cheapest country to buy a Vega is in Sweden. I suggest you buy one
with a diesel engine but they are still very old (30 years) and parts
for the engines are very, very expensive.

Hope this helps.

Cheers

Steve Birch (Technical)

SVFlyAway · Dec 18, 2006

Actually the modern diesel is designed to run at higher RPMs than the diesel
of years past. The modern diesel is very light weight compared to those of
old, and thus are designed to run at the higher speeds. The Kubota, that is
used for the Beta is an industrial engine that is often run to power
generators or refrigeration units and they often run for weeks on end at
high RPMs. But I still had problems running at the higher RPM since I am
used to the Diesels of 30 years ago. So I started researching it further.

Rather than using RPM to do any calculations, it is more telling to use
piston speed. That makes sense because that is where the real "wear and
tear" exists - the banging up and down and not the rotation. As a rule of
thumb a piston shouldn't travel more than 2500 feet per minute. For optimal
life of the engine, it is better if it is kept around 1500 for long
stretches of time. Doing the math with the Beta 13.5 engine it clearly shows
that even at 3600 RPM the piston travels 1600 feet/min (if my math is
correct). At 3000 RPM it is about 1350. Both of these are below (or just
above in one case) the 2500 and 1500 rule of thumb.

As I said I have struggled with the notion that diesels need to run at very
low RPMs. When I had my 39 footer, I had a Volvo engine that put out about
38 HP. I was told by all the mechanics and the Volvo dealers to keep the RPM
about 3000 RPM and occasionally I would run it that high. But I usually ran
it around 2000 RPM since at the lower RPM, I used under 1 gallon of fuel an
hour, while at 3000 I would burn 2.3 gallons/hr - and my speed gain was
barely a knot - not economically feasible.

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From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alex_lp
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 1:24 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlbinVega] Re: Looking for a Vega in EU

By the way re old engine.

I planned to install Beta engine. The only problem I see there is
that 13.5 hp (as far as I understood it is biggest engine suitable
for Vega) seems small to me... Calc is pretty simple 5 hp per 1 ton
of displacement, Vega is 2.3 tons, so it is 11.5hp to fit, however we
need to add at least 30% of power for bad weather conditions, which
gives us 14.95 hp, plus lose of power on pump, alternator and gear
box (we assume that prop works OK and don't count lose of power in
hot weater conditions), which close to 1 hp, so we have (rounding) 16
hp, then we take a look here

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www.betamari

Beta Marine - Marine Propulsion Engines & Marine Generating Sets
ne.co.uk/beta_brochure/beta10-20bhp.pdf at diagram
for BD722 and see that we get required power at 2500 rpm, which is
too fast rotation for a disel engine. So it comes, that adequate
engine for Vega is BD1005, and with real minimum of BD722.

Can you comment on this...?

stevebirch2002 · Dec 19, 2006

Hi

Having supplied and fitted so many Betas to Vegas (SUpplied 122, fitted
11), I think I can comment on the suitable engine for the Vega.

In my opinion the ideal engine is:

1. BZ482 (13.5HP at 3600rpm). Fits beautifully and works well. 2
Cylinder
2. Beta (16HP at 3600rpm). This is a new engine based on the Kubota
600cc block. W ehave now suppled and fitted a coiupleof these engines.
Do the job well and only very slightly bigger.
3. BD722 (20HP at 3600rpm). I have supplied a few of these engines for
Vegas (3) but I consider them overkill. The Vega is a sailing boat after
all!

I have a friend who has a Sunrider 25 which is a similar weight to the
Vega and he has put a 40HP Perkins in his engine. He now has a
motorboat!!!

Hope this helps. All in my opinion only.

Steve Birch (Technical)

stevebirch2002 · Dec 19, 2006

Hi

I agree that sometimes in teh US you can find a very cheap "project"
Vega but the logistics and cost of transport makes it uneconomical. You
have to travel to see the condition of the Vega before you buy so your
own air flight cost must be added as well as travel expenses. I am not
trying to put you off buying a cheap Vega but I have experience of
buying a Vega in Sweden denmark as well as the UK and Holland.

Cheers

Steve Birch (Technical)

stevebirch2002 · Dec 19, 2006

So do I, the Vega is a lovely boat and I hope you find the Vega of your
dreams!

Cheers

Steve Birch (Technical)

imbissfrank · Jan 10, 2007

Alex,
Be careful what you do purchasing an American/Canadian Vega. The minute you sail from your home country to one of the European Union countries, you will be slammed with a demand for the VAT !!!! Which can vary from 18 percent of the boats assessed value in Greece (the customs people will assess the value, not you) to as high as 25 percent of the assessed value in countries such as Sweden, Finland or Denmark. This is of course on top of the customs that you will pay at the port of entry where she will be delivered. The following happened to me. My Vega was a "European" Vega, meaning she was first sold in Germany and the VAT was paid at that time. I later bought the boat and had her shipped to the states. Years later I had her shipped to the Netherlands, where customs duties were assessed, plus 19 percent of the boats value as VAT, because I did not have proof that the VAT had been paid. The Dutch customs would not listen to reason or logic that if the boat was
first sold in Germany in 1973 that the VAT must have been paid (it is German law, you cannot buy a new boat without paying the VAT). And I ended up paying customs and the VAT. Think about it. The price of the boat, customs taxes, VAT, plus shipping costs, and if in the end you do buy here in Europe, make sure you get proof that the VAT has been paid.
Frank Gallardo Jr
V-2184 sv Cin Cin
"May the warm breeze at your back not be your own"

Alex_lp alex_lp@... wrote:
Hi!

Can somebody tell me Vega height (without mast) masured from the keel
foot plate to the most top point on the deck?

I found a carrier who is able to bring yacht from the USA to Black
Sea for $88 per 1 cubic meter. Guessing that full height is 2.5
meters, I get $4.5K for shipping which is not bad.

Any help is highly appriciated.

At the moment there is no luck in finding a project Vega in Sweden
for an adequate price. Average price I found for a project Vega is
around 6000 Euros (7800 USD). Plus about 2000 Euros (2600 USD)
shipping, so I get over $10K with a project boat (plus I need to pay
25% of customs fees, but it is another story).

Thanks,
Alex

stevebirch2002 · Jan 10, 2007

The Vega will not fit in a 40 feet container so will have to be deck
cargo. Been there, done it!

Cheers

Steve B