I'm looking for a safe 6 to 12 week mooring or dry storage location for my boat, Zeno's Arrow a Macgregor 26X this summer, before I continue West; any Island, windward/leeward is OK. I could ship my trailer over from the west coast if necessary, but would rather not. Any leads or local knowledge would be helpful. Thanks, MM
Looking for a place to keep my boat in Hawaii
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Gentry's marina in Kailua-Kona (Big Island)
See the link below. We hauled "Rivendel II" out there over the 1997/1998 season. Don't know what your sailing plans are but please do take the Alenuihaha Channel between Hawaii and Maui VERY seriously. It did not earn its nickname "the ship-eating channel" for nothing. There may be the occasional quiet day that one can practically row accross. However, both times we crossed it in our Legend 43 we were sailing by the skin of our teeth. The problem is that the wind in the channel funnels between the tallest and the x-tallest mountain on earth (from the ocean bottom up) and they pretty much make up their own weather. Good luck! Flying Dutchman
See the link below. We hauled "Rivendel II" out there over the 1997/1998 season. Don't know what your sailing plans are but please do take the Alenuihaha Channel between Hawaii and Maui VERY seriously. It did not earn its nickname "the ship-eating channel" for nothing. There may be the occasional quiet day that one can practically row accross. However, both times we crossed it in our Legend 43 we were sailing by the skin of our teeth. The problem is that the wind in the channel funnels between the tallest and the x-tallest mountain on earth (from the ocean bottom up) and they pretty much make up their own weather. Good luck! Flying Dutchman
Thanks,
Thanks Henk, I've already had a bit more of the Alenuihaha than I ever wanted. Ran a Military SAR unit off the Big Island back in '70-'71 and Johnstone in '73. Spent more time than I wanted on rescues out there. Franklin, yep, sailing out from the West Coast.
Thanks Henk, I've already had a bit more of the Alenuihaha than I ever wanted. Ran a Military SAR unit off the Big Island back in '70-'71 and Johnstone in '73. Spent more time than I wanted on rescues out there. Franklin, yep, sailing out from the West Coast.
Modifications?
Have you made any modifications to the boat? If not, don't even think about it. With a capsize screen of 11+ and a beam of only 7' and a water tank of only 10 gallons and a fuel tank of only 12 gallons, I would only give you a 20% chance of making it there, even with luck on your side. Most couples would go through that water in 2 days. Most modern equip boats will need all that fuel and even more just to generate enough juice for half the trip. The lack of beam greatly increases your chance of a capsize and your terrible capsize screen of 11 almost insures that the boat will be very very difficult to right. I would say for a crew of two, you will need at least 120 gallons of water and that's with a lot of conservation. Would also need about 50 gallons of fuel, unless you ran most of the trip without any electronics including a frig and autopilot and gps and so on. Macs aren't even coastal cruisers, let alone blue, deep blue water boats. I wouldn't take one out of a lake...and as you may have heard me say...I'm the crazy dangerous one. Note...I haven't even begun to touch on the hatches, rudder, rigging and so on that could easily give way out there on a Mac. So please tell me you've put $20,000 into redoing the boat, making it sink proof and giving it extra tanks and new blue water hatches and a better rudder and extra tough rigging. In any case, let us know how the trip goes.
Have you made any modifications to the boat? If not, don't even think about it. With a capsize screen of 11+ and a beam of only 7' and a water tank of only 10 gallons and a fuel tank of only 12 gallons, I would only give you a 20% chance of making it there, even with luck on your side. Most couples would go through that water in 2 days. Most modern equip boats will need all that fuel and even more just to generate enough juice for half the trip. The lack of beam greatly increases your chance of a capsize and your terrible capsize screen of 11 almost insures that the boat will be very very difficult to right. I would say for a crew of two, you will need at least 120 gallons of water and that's with a lot of conservation. Would also need about 50 gallons of fuel, unless you ran most of the trip without any electronics including a frig and autopilot and gps and so on. Macs aren't even coastal cruisers, let alone blue, deep blue water boats. I wouldn't take one out of a lake...and as you may have heard me say...I'm the crazy dangerous one. Note...I haven't even begun to touch on the hatches, rudder, rigging and so on that could easily give way out there on a Mac. So please tell me you've put $20,000 into redoing the boat, making it sink proof and giving it extra tanks and new blue water hatches and a better rudder and extra tough rigging. In any case, let us know how the trip goes.
Thanks for the concern
Franklin, thanks for the concern. While this is likely not the best thread to re-hash all the above, here are some places where you can get the info. you requested; Photos of mods. www.photobucket.com/albums/f302/mikderffd Discussion of boat, past trips; www.macgregorsailors.com (Zeno,s Arrow thread). There is also a link to an archive of the single handed trip the boat did from the Arctic to South America and back (1996-2004) or google 'Waterways of the Americas' Expedition. While any crossing can become an event should mohter nature decide to make it so, as a rule (and from past experience) the sled run to the islands is usually not anything like some of the other places the boat has already traveled. But, again-thanks for the concern. MM
Franklin, thanks for the concern. While this is likely not the best thread to re-hash all the above, here are some places where you can get the info. you requested; Photos of mods. www.photobucket.com/albums/f302/mikderffd Discussion of boat, past trips; www.macgregorsailors.com (Zeno,s Arrow thread). There is also a link to an archive of the single handed trip the boat did from the Arctic to South America and back (1996-2004) or google 'Waterways of the Americas' Expedition. While any crossing can become an event should mohter nature decide to make it so, as a rule (and from past experience) the sled run to the islands is usually not anything like some of the other places the boat has already traveled. But, again-thanks for the concern. MM
Per request estimate
Based upon past runs (Port-O-Spain to Sab Blas, St. Marteen to Panama, D.R. to Bonaire, Florida to USVI, Baja, etc.) I usually average 96 to 120 miles per day. Anticipate 23-30 day crossing, unless I lose time by having to ride out something on the sea anchor.MM
Based upon past runs (Port-O-Spain to Sab Blas, St. Marteen to Panama, D.R. to Bonaire, Florida to USVI, Baja, etc.) I usually average 96 to 120 miles per day. Anticipate 23-30 day crossing, unless I lose time by having to ride out something on the sea anchor.MM
Boat is a Live Aboard
Franklin, Zeno's Arrow was a full time live aboard in transit through the Arctic and on to South America and back, from Nov. 1995 until July 2004. During that period there were many times that the boat stayed out for extended periods, sometimes (though rarely)well beyond 2 months without me getting to shore. Longest single transit while under sail (not power)was 20 days, longest power transit 12 days. MM
Franklin, Zeno's Arrow was a full time live aboard in transit through the Arctic and on to South America and back, from Nov. 1995 until July 2004. During that period there were many times that the boat stayed out for extended periods, sometimes (though rarely)well beyond 2 months without me getting to shore. Longest single transit while under sail (not power)was 20 days, longest power transit 12 days. MM
Food, Water and Fuel?
What did you do for food, water and fuel during that time? Considering a person is suppose to drink almost a gallon a day, I would have to assume you had more water on board then the standard 10 gallon fresh water tank. What type of electronic use did you use during those 20 days? I'm assuming you had more fuel then the standard tankage.... where did you put all this stuff. Inquiring minds would like to know how to get the most of of their boats and it seems you have?????
What did you do for food, water and fuel during that time? Considering a person is suppose to drink almost a gallon a day, I would have to assume you had more water on board then the standard 10 gallon fresh water tank. What type of electronic use did you use during those 20 days? I'm assuming you had more fuel then the standard tankage.... where did you put all this stuff. Inquiring minds would like to know how to get the most of of their boats and it seems you have?????
"Serious Thinking."
"Mike-" I'm please to see everyone responding here is taking you seriously and not createing a "Comedy Hour" over your endurance factor. My question would be, after 10 to 15 days without stopping on such a boat your morale could over take you and at that point your beyond the point of no return. Any chance of scheduling the trip with other boats going in that direction realizing they will out pace you but, you could rendezvous at different intervals? Lastly, the time spent in transit could be used crusing the islands. What about cradleing the boat and shipping it on the fan tail of a Matson Ship going to Hawaii? It is done every day. It takes them but afew days over and you might even be able to go on board. Calculating the cost of out fitting the boat, time traveled and the profit (Used sailboats sell for more in Hawaii)from selling the boat there after the trip could off-set the shipping cost. My thoughts go with you.....
"Mike-" I'm please to see everyone responding here is taking you seriously and not createing a "Comedy Hour" over your endurance factor. My question would be, after 10 to 15 days without stopping on such a boat your morale could over take you and at that point your beyond the point of no return. Any chance of scheduling the trip with other boats going in that direction realizing they will out pace you but, you could rendezvous at different intervals? Lastly, the time spent in transit could be used crusing the islands. What about cradleing the boat and shipping it on the fan tail of a Matson Ship going to Hawaii? It is done every day. It takes them but afew days over and you might even be able to go on board. Calculating the cost of out fitting the boat, time traveled and the profit (Used sailboats sell for more in Hawaii)from selling the boat there after the trip could off-set the shipping cost. My thoughts go with you.....
Boat mods
I can see that the initial request for info. on Hawaii dockage is starting to get overshadowed by the interest in the trip. As we seem to have a number of folks who do not know of the boat, its modifications, or past trips, I would ask, if you do not mind to please review the Zeno's Arrow thread on the Powersailer board at www.macgregorsailors.com & go through the photos of the boat at www.photobucket.com/albims/f302/mikderffd. (There is also info. on the 1997-2004'Waterways of the Americas'trip which can be found with a Google search) before posting questions; if you don't find the answer you are looking for I would be more than happy to post answers. As for 'time on the boat' alone; Such things relate to what you are use to doing. As a past North Pole, South Pole, 7 Summits Expedition guide who made a living in remote places, I have spent a lot of time alone for extended periods going well beyond anything I've done in this boat or my past live aboard (a CSY 44). Zeno's Arrow has two hand operated watermakers & the ballast tank is fresh water. I usually carry a 90 day supply of food & if need be 'chat' or e-mail on the Iridium phone for short periods if I want to hear what is happening in the outside world or get weather reports. 90 days food is not a storage problem if you do it right. MM
I can see that the initial request for info. on Hawaii dockage is starting to get overshadowed by the interest in the trip. As we seem to have a number of folks who do not know of the boat, its modifications, or past trips, I would ask, if you do not mind to please review the Zeno's Arrow thread on the Powersailer board at www.macgregorsailors.com & go through the photos of the boat at www.photobucket.com/albims/f302/mikderffd. (There is also info. on the 1997-2004'Waterways of the Americas'trip which can be found with a Google search) before posting questions; if you don't find the answer you are looking for I would be more than happy to post answers. As for 'time on the boat' alone; Such things relate to what you are use to doing. As a past North Pole, South Pole, 7 Summits Expedition guide who made a living in remote places, I have spent a lot of time alone for extended periods going well beyond anything I've done in this boat or my past live aboard (a CSY 44). Zeno's Arrow has two hand operated watermakers & the ballast tank is fresh water. I usually carry a 90 day supply of food & if need be 'chat' or e-mail on the Iridium phone for short periods if I want to hear what is happening in the outside world or get weather reports. 90 days food is not a storage problem if you do it right. MM
Hawaii mooring
Try: Island of Oahu, city:Honolulu, Keehi Lagoon (pronounced "kayhee"). There are 3 marinas in the lagoon. First one in is Keehi Marina, the state owned marina. You might get a slip in there but it's kind of scary (lot of drugs and theft over there). Second one in is Keehi Marine Center You can usuall get a slip there, they also have haul-out facilities. They are privately owned and have good security. The third one in is La Mariana Sailing Club. It's private, a little run down, but has a lot of character. It's the oldest Tiki Bar/restaurant on the island, with a piano player nightly, it looks like something out of a Humphry Bogart movie. The bar and marina are owned by a ninetysomething year old woman who built it with her husband in the '50s. There is usually a slip or two available for a small boat like yours. It's a safe place to leave your boat. All three are around $7.00 a foot per month. There are also always mooring balls available in the lagoon. You'd want to lock it up tight, but I think they're $1.00 or $2.00 a foot per month I think. If it were me wouldn't use Genty's in Kona for any reason. I'm from the Big Island and I go to a different island to haul out. They're the only place to haul out on the Big Island, they know it and they treat you like they're doing you a favor that they don't want to do. Radio Bay in Hilo is kinda' nice. It's a real small town on the winward side of the Big Island. You tie up to stern-to the quay 15 0r 20 feet off the wall for around $7 a foot per month. It can get a big surge in there in the winter though. I wouldn't leave my boat there unattended any of the winter months. On all these there is an added $6 a foot per person per month live-aboard fee if you stay on the boat very long. The Alanuihaha channel's not that bad. It's sort of like Disney Land, sometimes boring and sometimes scary. (Don't take it lightly though.) Have a great trip. Email me if you come to Keehi and I'll give you my phone number. I'm at La Mariana right now and will be here for another 9 or 10 months at least.
Try: Island of Oahu, city:Honolulu, Keehi Lagoon (pronounced "kayhee"). There are 3 marinas in the lagoon. First one in is Keehi Marina, the state owned marina. You might get a slip in there but it's kind of scary (lot of drugs and theft over there). Second one in is Keehi Marine Center You can usuall get a slip there, they also have haul-out facilities. They are privately owned and have good security. The third one in is La Mariana Sailing Club. It's private, a little run down, but has a lot of character. It's the oldest Tiki Bar/restaurant on the island, with a piano player nightly, it looks like something out of a Humphry Bogart movie. The bar and marina are owned by a ninetysomething year old woman who built it with her husband in the '50s. There is usually a slip or two available for a small boat like yours. It's a safe place to leave your boat. All three are around $7.00 a foot per month. There are also always mooring balls available in the lagoon. You'd want to lock it up tight, but I think they're $1.00 or $2.00 a foot per month I think. If it were me wouldn't use Genty's in Kona for any reason. I'm from the Big Island and I go to a different island to haul out. They're the only place to haul out on the Big Island, they know it and they treat you like they're doing you a favor that they don't want to do. Radio Bay in Hilo is kinda' nice. It's a real small town on the winward side of the Big Island. You tie up to stern-to the quay 15 0r 20 feet off the wall for around $7 a foot per month. It can get a big surge in there in the winter though. I wouldn't leave my boat there unattended any of the winter months. On all these there is an added $6 a foot per person per month live-aboard fee if you stay on the boat very long. The Alanuihaha channel's not that bad. It's sort of like Disney Land, sometimes boring and sometimes scary. (Don't take it lightly though.) Have a great trip. Email me if you come to Keehi and I'll give you my phone number. I'm at La Mariana right now and will be here for another 9 or 10 months at least.
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