Help!!! We recently purchased a 95 430. After we closed the deal and started using the her the rear holding tank started to smell. Long story short it's an aluminum tank and it had 10 holes..Yes the surveyor missd it..I' m being told by the local dealer that I bought the boat from that 5 years is all I should expect out of an aluminum tank because of the acid, sea water and electrolsis cause by the electrtic toilet. Your advise please. I've already ordered a new tank from Hunter. Addditionally, now that the rear tank has been removed and we are using the forward head were getting a urine smell. I've tested as you suggested in the past, and all is dry. There are crystals all over the hoses to the front tank.. Again from the dealer this is because the original owner didn't flush enough water through the lines and urine was allowed to sit in the lines and it soaked though the hoses. I'v been assued by the dealer that if I replace the hoses with new "green line" hose the smell will go away... Your thoughts??
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Gary Jensen
call that surveyor back
Call the surveyor back. Show him /her your problem and let him /her take care of it..If not, have it fixed and bill him/her
Call the surveyor back. Show him /her your problem and let him /her take care of it..If not, have it fixed and bill him/her
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DICK MCKEE
The surveyer
Called him all he said was sorry...The dealer(H&S in San Diego) felt so bad, even though I hired the surveyer, that they are providing the labor for free replaceing all the hose and splitting the cost of the tank with me..
Called him all he said was sorry...The dealer(H&S in San Diego) felt so bad, even though I hired the surveyer, that they are providing the labor for free replaceing all the hose and splitting the cost of the tank with me..
Don't think you can beat that offer.
Dick: Most of the surveyors have escape clauses regarding errors and omissions from this type of problem. I don't think you can beat that offer. Just look at it this way. If it happened next month you could not blame the surveyor and you would have to pay for the entire thing out of your pocket. I'm glad that this worked out half way good for you. This actually should be a good lesson to ANYONE that is purchasing a used Hunter. Check the archives and the owners reviews before you buy a boat and make notes of EVERYTHING that anyone has had problems with. Do you own inspection and also give this list to YOUR surveyor to check these items.
Dick: Most of the surveyors have escape clauses regarding errors and omissions from this type of problem. I don't think you can beat that offer. Just look at it this way. If it happened next month you could not blame the surveyor and you would have to pay for the entire thing out of your pocket. I'm glad that this worked out half way good for you. This actually should be a good lesson to ANYONE that is purchasing a used Hunter. Check the archives and the owners reviews before you buy a boat and make notes of EVERYTHING that anyone has had problems with. Do you own inspection and also give this list to YOUR surveyor to check these items.
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Peggie Hall/HeadMistress
Dealer was right, but for the wrong reasons
Aluminum holding tanks typically start to leak at a seam or a fitting within 2-5 years...and then turn into collanders...seawater isn't the cause, nor should there be any "electrolysis" from an electric toilet--at least none that are correctly installed. The real culprit is urine. Urine is so corrosive that it makes salt seem benign by comparison. Your dealer was right that hoses permeate with odor because sewage gets left in the hose TO permeate it... and urine sits in the hose because people stop flushing as soon as the bowl is empty instead of flushing enough to rinse all the bowl contents out of the hose. Trying to convince anyone to flush enough to rinse out the discharge hose every time only gets "But that fills up my holding tank too fast," as a response...but there's an article in the Reference Library in the Head Mistress forum called "Flush With Success" that explains how to do without filling up the holding tank with flush water. As for urine crystals in the hose, they will occur in any hose, along with sea water calcium carbonates or hard water minerals in fresh water...and he was right again that urine left sitting in the lines is what causes urine crystals to form, but the crystals are a separate problem from odor permeation. White vinegar "dissolves" urine crystals before they can harden. So each time you close up the boat at the end of a weekend, close the intake seacock...flush the head as dry as possible. Pour a quart or two of fresh water down the head...Flush it ALL the way through the line, again flushing the head as dry as possible. Follow that with a cupful of undiluted white vinegar flushed all the way through the system. What the heck does he mean by "new green line" hose???
Aluminum holding tanks typically start to leak at a seam or a fitting within 2-5 years...and then turn into collanders...seawater isn't the cause, nor should there be any "electrolysis" from an electric toilet--at least none that are correctly installed. The real culprit is urine. Urine is so corrosive that it makes salt seem benign by comparison. Your dealer was right that hoses permeate with odor because sewage gets left in the hose TO permeate it... and urine sits in the hose because people stop flushing as soon as the bowl is empty instead of flushing enough to rinse all the bowl contents out of the hose. Trying to convince anyone to flush enough to rinse out the discharge hose every time only gets "But that fills up my holding tank too fast," as a response...but there's an article in the Reference Library in the Head Mistress forum called "Flush With Success" that explains how to do without filling up the holding tank with flush water. As for urine crystals in the hose, they will occur in any hose, along with sea water calcium carbonates or hard water minerals in fresh water...and he was right again that urine left sitting in the lines is what causes urine crystals to form, but the crystals are a separate problem from odor permeation. White vinegar "dissolves" urine crystals before they can harden. So each time you close up the boat at the end of a weekend, close the intake seacock...flush the head as dry as possible. Pour a quart or two of fresh water down the head...Flush it ALL the way through the line, again flushing the head as dry as possible. Follow that with a cupful of undiluted white vinegar flushed all the way through the system. What the heck does he mean by "new green line" hose???
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DICK MCKEE
Green line hose
Peggy..The green line hose is the $8' black hose sold at West Marine. It has a green line that runs the length of the hose...I'm also looking for a San Diego source for the hose u recommend..
Peggy..The green line hose is the $8' black hose sold at West Marine. It has a green line that runs the length of the hose...I'm also looking for a San Diego source for the hose u recommend..
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Peggie Hall/HeadMistress
Black rubber is better than most white, but--
it still permeates...just takes a little longer. There is a relatively new white hose that's proven to be just about "bulletproof" when it comes to odor permeation...at least I have yet to hear of a single odor permeation failure since it came on the market about 6 years ago: SeaLand "OdorSafe" brand. It has a "skin" on it that SeaLand claims is akin to Saran Wrap (which IS bulletproof), and is about the same price as black hose. I recommend it highly. When I replaced the whole sanitation system on my boat 4 years ago, it hadn't been on the market long enough for me to pay that price for a white hose...I bought what I considered at the time to be the best hose on the market. It permeated in less than 3 months! I wasn't about to do it over quite that soon, so I wrapped it all in Saran Wrap...which lasted 3 years (I didn't intend for it las that long, but I didn't have any odor in my v-berth and it kinda became "out of nose, out of mind"). Last fall I replaced it all with SeaLand OdorSafe.
it still permeates...just takes a little longer. There is a relatively new white hose that's proven to be just about "bulletproof" when it comes to odor permeation...at least I have yet to hear of a single odor permeation failure since it came on the market about 6 years ago: SeaLand "OdorSafe" brand. It has a "skin" on it that SeaLand claims is akin to Saran Wrap (which IS bulletproof), and is about the same price as black hose. I recommend it highly. When I replaced the whole sanitation system on my boat 4 years ago, it hadn't been on the market long enough for me to pay that price for a white hose...I bought what I considered at the time to be the best hose on the market. It permeated in less than 3 months! I wasn't about to do it over quite that soon, so I wrapped it all in Saran Wrap...which lasted 3 years (I didn't intend for it las that long, but I didn't have any odor in my v-berth and it kinda became "out of nose, out of mind"). Last fall I replaced it all with SeaLand OdorSafe.
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