Has anyone actually taken a sailmaker out on their 216 and discussed the shapes and sail configurations on the 216? I have to believe that there has to be a better arrangement for adjusting the jib when sailing either slightly off the wind to reaching where the spinnaker is not being used. When going to weather in heavy air, the main is so backwinded that it has to be slowing down the boat considerably. The luff of the main is such that moving the traveler to leeward only makes the backwinding more severe. Maybe when this hip "matures" a little more I'll have some time to experiment. I wish we had a sailmaker somewhere near to us that I could engage to also offer some opinions on the sails, the rig and it's tuning. It's too bad that Hunter doesn't monitor these forums and strive to provide their customers with better "after the sale" advice and support. Has anyone had dealings with 216 support since it moved to Florida? Good? Bad? Indifferent?
Location of H-216 Jib Blocks
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Lamar Sumerlin
Location of H-216 Jib Blocks - - Hunter service
Mr. Ernie, I haven't had any dealings with Hunter so I can't answer your question. However, just in case you missed a General Interest post by Phil Herring today, the following information that may be of interest to you. Hunter's move from Connecticut to Florida will take a minimum of 30 days. Parts will be in transit and setup during this time. For replacement parts, contact Hunter at 800-771-5556. Good to hear you are sailing again. Lamar
Mr. Ernie, I haven't had any dealings with Hunter so I can't answer your question. However, just in case you missed a General Interest post by Phil Herring today, the following information that may be of interest to you. Hunter's move from Connecticut to Florida will take a minimum of 30 days. Parts will be in transit and setup during this time. For replacement parts, contact Hunter at 800-771-5556. Good to hear you are sailing again. Lamar
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Ron Benitez
jib blocks
I would also be interested to know anyone experience with changing the jib blocks. I believe someone a few months ago mentioned they were going to try this.
I would also be interested to know anyone experience with changing the jib blocks. I believe someone a few months ago mentioned they were going to try this.
Jib Sheet Controls
I am having a representative from the new Layline company, (http://layline.com/) take a look at the 216 and come up with recommendations as to how we might best address this problem. They have extensive experience with rigging and competing with the Melges 24. They will be attending our Spring Fever Regatta in early April and if we haven't made any modifications by then, we'll have the opportunity do some on-the-water testing then. For those who have not sailed a Melges 24, although it is certainly a WHOLE LOT more boat, it uses a loose footed main and a jib, that only slightly overlaps the main as on the 216. It also flies a huge asymmetrical spinnaker with a retractable bow sprit. There are, as you might guess, a dozen different adjustments to modify both the main and jib shapes but essentially it's close enough to make some legitimate comparisons to determine how we might improve our sail configurations and subsequently, increase the boat speed.
I am having a representative from the new Layline company, (http://layline.com/) take a look at the 216 and come up with recommendations as to how we might best address this problem. They have extensive experience with rigging and competing with the Melges 24. They will be attending our Spring Fever Regatta in early April and if we haven't made any modifications by then, we'll have the opportunity do some on-the-water testing then. For those who have not sailed a Melges 24, although it is certainly a WHOLE LOT more boat, it uses a loose footed main and a jib, that only slightly overlaps the main as on the 216. It also flies a huge asymmetrical spinnaker with a retractable bow sprit. There are, as you might guess, a dozen different adjustments to modify both the main and jib shapes but essentially it's close enough to make some legitimate comparisons to determine how we might improve our sail configurations and subsequently, increase the boat speed.
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Dennis
A little "After sale help"
I just put up a page on my web site that may help, I try to keep in touch with my owners so we can help each other enjoy our boats (I sail a 216 myself)
I just put up a page on my web site that may help, I try to keep in touch with my owners so we can help each other enjoy our boats (I sail a 216 myself)
Barber hauler
Last time this subject was up, you mentioned a barber hauler. Since our distictive styling and need for headroom over a portapotty makes a jib track impossible, a barber hauler came up. Any feedback on that? What I understood you to mean was to run each sheet thru a double block on the end of a line that i could use to pull the sheet to the right angle for the conditions. i didn't know where to tie off that line or how long to make it. Haven't had time to experiment. Is that what you meant before? Any success with it? Are you trying to get something else from Layline? Dan
Last time this subject was up, you mentioned a barber hauler. Since our distictive styling and need for headroom over a portapotty makes a jib track impossible, a barber hauler came up. Any feedback on that? What I understood you to mean was to run each sheet thru a double block on the end of a line that i could use to pull the sheet to the right angle for the conditions. i didn't know where to tie off that line or how long to make it. Haven't had time to experiment. Is that what you meant before? Any success with it? Are you trying to get something else from Layline? Dan
A little more on Barber Hauler
Early last spring, before I had a hip replaced that has kept me off the boat since then, I jurry-rigged a barber hauler to see if it would help. As we only sailed once using the system, I didn't have enough time to fully evaluate how well it worked. I think it is an improvement but I can't believe that there isn't a better way to accomplish the same results. Unfortunately, I don't have any pictures of it but let me try to define it. I hooked a snatch block onto the chainplate and added another block that I fed the jib sheet through just ahead of the stationery cleat. I then ran a short line from that block, through the block on the chainplate ,, back through the first block and back to a cleat a couple feet back on top of the seatback where it could be easily adjusted. Adjustment is a two step procedure in that the jib sheet must be eased as you take in the barber hauler line. I have a couple of other ideas but really want to see what the "experts" come up with first. They might even suggest using dual jib sheets on each side of the boat as is done on some of the high performance dingies. I'll try to post a couple of pictures but it may be awhile.
Early last spring, before I had a hip replaced that has kept me off the boat since then, I jurry-rigged a barber hauler to see if it would help. As we only sailed once using the system, I didn't have enough time to fully evaluate how well it worked. I think it is an improvement but I can't believe that there isn't a better way to accomplish the same results. Unfortunately, I don't have any pictures of it but let me try to define it. I hooked a snatch block onto the chainplate and added another block that I fed the jib sheet through just ahead of the stationery cleat. I then ran a short line from that block, through the block on the chainplate ,, back through the first block and back to a cleat a couple feet back on top of the seatback where it could be easily adjusted. Adjustment is a two step procedure in that the jib sheet must be eased as you take in the barber hauler line. I have a couple of other ideas but really want to see what the "experts" come up with first. They might even suggest using dual jib sheets on each side of the boat as is done on some of the high performance dingies. I'll try to post a couple of pictures but it may be awhile.
Take your time
Get that hip under control so you can enjoy sailing with it. I would not have heard of a barber hauler and now of double jib sheets if it wasn't for you, and i read everything i can. I have to remind myself that i got this boat to help my wife feel safe sailing; keel, high freeboard, positive buoyancy, etc. while i learned to sail. And i spend my time trying to put more controls on it to get ready for bigger boats later. There's plenty of time for that. Thanks, Dan
Get that hip under control so you can enjoy sailing with it. I would not have heard of a barber hauler and now of double jib sheets if it wasn't for you, and i read everything i can. I have to remind myself that i got this boat to help my wife feel safe sailing; keel, high freeboard, positive buoyancy, etc. while i learned to sail. And i spend my time trying to put more controls on it to get ready for bigger boats later. There's plenty of time for that. Thanks, Dan
Dan, you've picked the right boat
Dan, I don't think you could have picked a better boat to introduce sailing to your wife or any new sailors for that matter. This is a very stable boat and it always wants to round up into the wind long before it is any danger of being knocked down. One word of caution - if you are heading out with new sailors on board and the wind is blowing fairly strong or you expect some big puffs while out there, reef the main before you leave the dock. The jiffy reefing works pretty well but it can be a little scary to the newbee when you try to get it in while under sail. It is always easy to shake it out once the wind dies. If you have any questions beyond what you want to put on the forum, just drop me an email - Mr.Ernie@TwinHulls.com
Dan, I don't think you could have picked a better boat to introduce sailing to your wife or any new sailors for that matter. This is a very stable boat and it always wants to round up into the wind long before it is any danger of being knocked down. One word of caution - if you are heading out with new sailors on board and the wind is blowing fairly strong or you expect some big puffs while out there, reef the main before you leave the dock. The jiffy reefing works pretty well but it can be a little scary to the newbee when you try to get it in while under sail. It is always easy to shake it out once the wind dies. If you have any questions beyond what you want to put on the forum, just drop me an email - Mr.Ernie@TwinHulls.com
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Found that out. First time out with the dealer, my brother-in-law and i on windward with light wind, i tacked just before a gust, putting my wife up and the three of us, 700 lbs, leeward and scrambling real fast. But noone got wet so the deal went through. I learned to let go of the tiller when in trouble that day. Got the reefing line setup, yessir.
Found that out. First time out with the dealer, my brother-in-law and i on windward with light wind, i tacked just before a gust, putting my wife up and the three of us, 700 lbs, leeward and scrambling real fast. But noone got wet so the deal went through. I learned to let go of the tiller when in trouble that day. Got the reefing line setup, yessir.
Spinaker Kit?
Dan, you probably already know this but if your flying a spinnaker and you see a puff coming, you respond opposite of what you do when sailing on the wind. On the wind, you head up. Sailing downwind, you head down. Heading up in a puff with the spinnaker can be real "exciting" to say the least. Should it happen (or I guess I should say when it happens) let the spin sheet fly. Enjoy your boat and don't hesitate to post any questions here on this forum. There are a lot of experienced 216 sailors here and you'll seldom go without several responses from knowledgeable folks who have had their boats for some time.
Dan, you probably already know this but if your flying a spinnaker and you see a puff coming, you respond opposite of what you do when sailing on the wind. On the wind, you head up. Sailing downwind, you head down. Heading up in a puff with the spinnaker can be real "exciting" to say the least. Should it happen (or I guess I should say when it happens) let the spin sheet fly. Enjoy your boat and don't hesitate to post any questions here on this forum. There are a lot of experienced 216 sailors here and you'll seldom go without several responses from knowledgeable folks who have had their boats for some time.
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I am in the same "boat" as Dan W- the Hunter 216 is my first and I am working on several improvements/modifications. The help on this site is great! I can't say enough about how helpful everyone has been.
I am in the same "boat" as Dan W- the Hunter 216 is my first and I am working on several improvements/modifications. The help on this site is great! I can't say enough about how helpful everyone has been.
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Gary
sailing a spiniker
Mr. Ernie and every one else with good advice to offer I added a spiniker to my 216 but did not had a chance to sail it with the spiniler last year. Does anybody have any advice on flying a spiniker on the 216. I have never sailed with a spiniker. Is a spinikert shute a good idea? When you jibe the spiniker is it best to jibe between the forestay and the spiniker halyard or infront of the spiniker halyard? Any other advice would be appreciated. Thanks Gary
Mr. Ernie and every one else with good advice to offer I added a spiniker to my 216 but did not had a chance to sail it with the spiniler last year. Does anybody have any advice on flying a spiniker on the 216. I have never sailed with a spiniker. Is a spinikert shute a good idea? When you jibe the spiniker is it best to jibe between the forestay and the spiniker halyard or infront of the spiniker halyard? Any other advice would be appreciated. Thanks Gary
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