Lift points.

wxt8981 · Jun 1, 2009

I have my Vega lifted just about every year. The back-strap should be just forward the rudder (make sure it's not ON the rudder.) The forward strap can be anywhere- I guess it depends on the crane. I put a marker on one side of the boat for the straps- it makes it easier next time.
Wilhelm, V-257

stevebirch2002 · Jun 2, 2009

Hi Arek

I always lift Vegas with the aft strop between the prop and the hull. There is a gap that is ideal for this purpose. If you keep the stop tight to the hull and slide it forwards from the stern then you will naturally find this space.

Cheers

Steve B

j.hunter9999 · Jun 2, 2009

We just had ours lifted when we launched. Aft strap just forward of the rudder, forward strap just forward of the keel. I took some photos that may help...let me know if you want me to post them.

Jack

itheilmann · Jun 2, 2009

We do what Steve does. Slide the rear strap into the gap between the propellor and the hull and the forward strap we slide back from the bow until it comes up against the front of the keel.

Iver 2490
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wxt8981 · Jun 2, 2009

I know about the way Steeve puts the straps. The only problem may arise when the water is very dirty and by accident the strap hits the prop.
That's the reason I like the aft strap just forward of the rudder- and I always check whether or not the rudder is free, But once out of the water, I use a small piece of masking tape (on the boot-strip) to mark where the strap should bo located.
Wilhelm, V-257

j.hunter9999 · Jun 3, 2009

I uploaded some photos of our recent launch under Bella. I believe you can see the strap locations. I think either above the prop or forward of the rudder will work. Just pick whichever you are most comfortable.

Jack

arek_ms · Jun 3, 2009

Hi guys,
Thank you all for your sharing your experience. I'll feel much more comfortable next week when time will come to put her in a water.
Jack, thanks a lot for your pictures posted. That helps
Arek
Vega #993

SVFlyAway · Jun 4, 2009

If I may, one final comment. I always print the drawing from the online Vega
manual which shows the profile and give that to the travellift operator. It
is very clear and they always thank me for that as he knows for sure what
he's dealing with under the water.

Vega1447 · Jun 4, 2009

Hi all.
Was out with a friend last night - deployed spinnaker for first time in
years..

My excuse: I normally sail single-handed.

I quickly realised that as well as the turning blocks on the quarters
(which I do have) I needed blocks on the beam as the spinnaker guy line
was pressing hard on the shrouds when the wind came slightly forward of
the beam - and the spinny sheet was running under the boom.

I have a block at the mast foot for the spinny downhaul - I ran the
downhaul line forward to the foredeck cleat to tie it off.

The geometry was not great when the spinny pole was almost on the
forestay. The spinnaker guyline was almost parallel with the pole so
almost impossible to haul the pole back oof the forestay.

Do people secure the block for the downhaul to the foredeck cleat to make
the geometry work better?

I'd be very interested in any othe tips on setting up the spinnaker on the
Vega.

John V1447 Breakaway

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pjacobs55 · Jun 4, 2009

My terminology: The spinnaker has two lines: the sheet and the guy, also known as the afterguy. These change names depending on the tack, starboard or port.

The pole has two lines on it: the foreguy (pulls the pole down) and the topping lift (holds the pole up).

I run the foreguy from the pole bail to a block at the mast step if it's not too breezy. That way I don't need to adjust it as I trim the after guy in or out.

If it's breezy I run the foreguy to the mooring cleat. Sometimes I run it through the cleat and then aft, so I can adjust it from the cockpit. If I run it aft I don't use a block at the cleat, the friction isn't bad.

If it is really blowing you can get better control of the chute by running the sheet through a block at the rail a little aft of midships, maybe at the forward end of the jib track or at a stanchion in the same area - without being on the boat, it seems even the aftermost chainplate is too far forward.

That (as well as making sure the halyard to two blocked, all the way up) keeps the sail locked (sort of) over the boat when broad reaching or running. I rarely do this on my Vega but we often used it on Solings to have good steering control broad reaching or even running in as much as a measured 35 knots. (Fun. No jibing.) You could I guess do the same thing with the afterguy to improve the pull angle and also help keep the pole down, but it's not something I have seen need to do. Were I on an extended leg and chafe seemed an issue I might do it.

I don't worry much about the after guy chafing on the shroud or not having a good angle to keep the pole back. With good modern low-stretch line you ought to be able to keep the pole off the forestay well enough, and if it is so windy you can't do that (and you are using nice low stretch line for your spinnaker sheet and guy) it is probably time to ease your course off a little or take in the chute. Big boats use a "reaching strut" rigged on the mast five or so feet off the deck and sticking out 90 deg to the centerline to a few feet outboard, with the guy running through the outboard end, to improve the afterguy pull angle but no need for that on a Vega.Nicholas H. Walsh P.A.
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From: John A. Kinsella
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 2:55 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlbinVega] Setup for Spinnaker on VegaHi all.
Was out with a friend last night - deployed spinnaker for first time in
years..

My excuse: I normally sail single-handed.

I quickly realised that as well as the turning blocks on the quarters
(which I do have) I needed blocks on the beam as the spinnaker guy line
was pressing hard on the shrouds when the wind came slightly forward of
the beam - and the spinny sheet was running under the boom.

I have a block at the mast foot for the spinny downhaul - I ran the
downhaul line forward to the foredeck cleat to tie it off.

The geometry was not great when the spinny pole was almost on the
forestay. The spinnaker guyline was almost parallel with the pole so
almost impossible to haul the pole back oof the forestay.

Do people secure the block for the downhaul to the foredeck cleat to make
the geometry work better?

I'd be very interested in any othe tips on setting up the spinnaker on the
Vega.

John V1447 Breakaway

Can

John A. Kinsella Ph: +353-61-202148 (Direct)
+353-61-333644 x 2148 (Switch)
Mathematics Dept. e-mail: John.Kinsella@...
University of Limerick FAX: +353-61-334927
IRELAND Web: John Kinsella's Website

Vega1447 · Jun 4, 2009

Thanks Nico,
very helpful.

Using the foredeck cleat for the downhaul/foreguy and blocks on the
side-deck for the sheet and guy/afterguy look like the way to go..

I didn't understand what you meant by:
"as well as making sure the halyard to two blocked, all the way up"??

Thanks again,

John V1447 Breakaway

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pjacobs55 · Jun 5, 2009

Two blocked is slang for all the way up, from when a block and tackle is all the way in so the opposite blocks are touching.

Sometimes in their hurry folks don't pull the spinnaker halyard all the way up, and that add to undesirable wobbling of the chute, esp. in a breeze.Nicholas H. Walsh P.A.
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From: John A. Kinsella
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 5:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Setup for Spinnaker on VegaThanks Nico,
very helpful.

Using the foredeck cleat for the downhaul/foreguy and blocks on the
side-deck for the sheet and guy/afterguy look like the way to go..

I didn't understand what you meant by:
"as well as making sure the halyard to two blocked, all the way up"??

Thanks again,

John V1447 Breakaway

John A. Kinsella Ph: +353-61-202148 (Direct)
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vegatern · Jun 7, 2009

I have a lot of respect for someone who will fly a spinnaker in 35 knots. I think cowardice will prevent me from ever having that much fun, but your explanations are clear and I appreciate them.
I agree with an earlier post that the asymmetrical is very useful. It moves the boat along even when my light jenny hangs limp. She is easy to sail, without a good deal of the angst associated with the poled out symmetrical, and the boat is more stable than sailing wing and wing. A neighbor calls it "sailing the couch". I should think it would be part of a cruising inventory (this from a buoy sailor). Beth Leonard's "The Voyager's Handbook" has a good section on cruising sails and recommends a spinnaker of about 1/3 less in size and twice the cloth weight of one used for racing or coastal sailing. She goes into much more detail of course. The book is worth the price.
Has anyone had experience with a Twizzel (also spelled twistle, twissel) rig for downwind? It was described in John Vigor's "The Seaworthy Offshore Sailboat" and also at The Twizzle Rig or Twistle Rig for Downwind Ocean Sailing

Craig Tern #1519

capt_sail · Jun 8, 2009

I had a setup like this (two genoas sharing a common luff) on a trimaran that I used to own. It was a great downwind setup for passagemaking, where you can rig it and leave it for days. I wouldn't recommend it for daysailing though. Admittedly it was even easier to fly on the trimaran, as with our 22 foot beam no poles were needed, I just ran the sheets to snatch blocks out on the rails!
Bill
V1390 "Traveler"
Has anyone had experience with a Twizzel (also spelled twistle, twissel) rig for downwind? It was described in John Vigor's "The Seaworthy Offshore Sailboat" and also at The Twizzle Rig or Twistle Rig for Downwind Ocean Sailing

Craig Tern #1519
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