Lifeline stanchion questions

May 6, 2010
472
1984 Oday 39 79 Milwaukee
I have all the stanchions off our O'day 34 as I am re-coring large sections of the side decks during this layup. I am planning to use G10 in place of balsa core under the stanchions. My original stanchions are one piece, and the bases are rather thin and distorted in places. I am wondering if I ordered new, more substantial bases if I could cut the tubes off of my existing bases and use them in the new bases?
 

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Oct 25, 2015
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Macgregor 26D Driveway
You "could" easily do it but I have one question about your picture. Is that a weld line, or sweated joint, about 2" above the base mount? You may be able to order larger bases with short fitting that the old ones will fit inside and you can bolt them together if you don't want to weld them. Google "Marine Stanchion Base" and get once that fits.
 

Apex

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Jun 19, 2013
1,212
C&C 30 Elk Rapids
Distortion allows for drainage underneath. Water entering the tubes need somewhere to exit.
 
May 6, 2010
472
1984 Oday 39 79 Milwaukee
The line on the stanchion in the image is where the roller furler lead was clamped on. The distortion in the image is on the inboard side - not for drainage - and the distortion varies from base to base.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,703
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Distortion allows for drainage underneath. Water entering the tubes need somewhere to exit.

Sadly that is not how it is properly done. A drain/weep hole is drilled in the stanchion bottom and the base should be flat with no hole. Lightly constructed bases result in the distortion pictured, as well as deck leaks. Those bases were flat when they left the factory and should be flat today...
 
Jan 6, 2010
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Sef,

I call mine not lifeline stanchions but, "Lose your lifeline stanchions."
I have the same type as you & I hate em. The baseplates & thin wall tubing are very lightweight, it doesn't take much to bend or break.

These lightly-made stanchions show up on alot of production boats. This is what you get when going with the low bidder.

I would look for "REAL" ones. If you have a used boat parts yard near you, I would check to see if you can find heavier duty ones that will fit instead. I also have matching backing plates made for all of mine that are located below & add more support.

As for balsa coring, no you don't want to use this. Not all that familiar with G10 but, at least it's not wood & will not soften or rot.

CR
 
Sep 25, 2008
961
Macgregor & Island Packet VENTURE 25 & IP-38 NORTH EAST, MD
Look in the classified parts for sale on this site. There is a good deal on a nice set of stanchions there.

BTW.....I do not know the seller, nor will I benefit from the sale.
 
Oct 10, 2011
619
Tartan 34C Toms River, New Jersey
The distortion is from pushing on the stanchion itself and or the lifeline. The OEM products on mid range boats are made of 18Gauge stainless which is considered thin wall. The welded base (flange) looks to be 3/16".
If you want a sturdier set make sure the base is 1/4", and the upright tube should be 16Gauge. A bale around the tube and welded to the base would be nice. If you really want to go all out make sure the material is type 304.
I have a bit of experience in this field as I manufactured several hundred of these. Most noteably on the Cheribini (not the Hunter)
 
Aug 20, 2010
1,399
Oday 27 Oak Orchard
Hi Larry. Schaefer made a wider base that requires a quarter inch screw to fasten it in http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=54305 . They were original on a lot of Oday models. Here is a link to how I attached mine after the recore: http://forums.sailboatowners.com/index.php?threads/and-so-it-begins.123244/page-8 post 157. I have had people yank on the lifelines and stations and they don't budge. Easier than backing plates or chasing around lost nuts in the cabin liner.
 
Sep 28, 2008
922
Canadian Sailcraft CS27 Victoria B.C.
This is a good base at a reasonable price. 316 stainless - why would you want 304?

It came from Fisheries Supply but they are available at any marine store.

 
Oct 10, 2011
619
Tartan 34C Toms River, New Jersey
This is a good base at a reasonable price. 316 stainless - why would you want 304?

It came from Fisheries Supply but they are available at any marine store.

Sorry I meant to say 316 not 304. You have to forgive me as I am getting to be a old salt. Just remember to check the set screws from time to time.
 
Jan 27, 2008
3,086
ODay 35 Beaufort, NC
On the 35 the stanchions are two piece construction with a base similar to post number 10 or Joe's post. Rudy at D&R Marine sells them. They have a 4 screw pattern to bolt them down. Also with all the boats getting parted out you might be able to find some used parts from a derelict or wrecked boat.
 
May 6, 2010
472
1984 Oday 39 79 Milwaukee
I have looked for a cast base with 6 degree angle to match the angle of my bases, but have not been able to find one. I have asked a local fabrication shop about welding another 1/8" stainless plate onto the bottom of my existing bases, making it essentially 1/4" thick. He said he can do it no problem, probably around $40 each, which is 1/2 the price of buying new tubes and bases. I will probably go this route, and have him tack weld the gate braces in place on the tubes as they use a set screw now which allows them to move when someone tries to stop the boat at the dock by grabbing them.
 
Dec 29, 2009
149
Hunter 380 Little Creek, Virginia Beach, VA
You really need new stanchions. Check the SBO store, I bought a couple there and am very happy with them. They were reasonably priced and higher quality than OEM. I particularly liked that the tops were not open but closed stainless steel - no caps needed. My boat has separate stanchions and bases, and I like that arrangement because stanchion replacements don't necessarily require rebedding the base.
 

NYSail

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Jan 6, 2006
3,143
Beneteau 423 Mt. Sinai, NY
I replaced all of mine and bought bases and removable tubes from gaurher. They were very reasonably priced and worth it. Think is was 70 for each tube/base (35 a piece)
 
May 6, 2010
472
1984 Oday 39 79 Milwaukee
My existing stanchions have closed tops, and reasonably heavy tubes. I looked at the Garhauer bases previously - they aren't much different than mine - same thickness base, and honestly (though I like Garhauer stuff in general) the bails seem thinner and more likely to bend than the ones I have now. As far as I know mine are original to the boat (1983) so I'm not necessarily concerned with what would be involved if I had to replace one down the road.
 
Jun 5, 2010
1,123
Hunter 25 Burlington NJ
Sefuller, I am most likely doing what you're doing. I replaced my welded-all-in-one stanchions with a set of (used) Schaefer bases and mounted them on G-10 blocks, for their inboard bolts, to as to mount the outboard ones right on the aluminum toerail (properly insulated with tape of course). Water passes under the gap between rail and G-10 block; this faciliates the drip hole too (too often clogged in 5200). For the farthest-aft ones, the bases need to be mounted half on the cockpit coaming, so the Schaefer ones don't fit. I am considering cutting off the old ones, welding in a sleeve, and installing the stern pulpit leg over that. For the rest I'll either cut the welded feet off the stanchions or else get new ones.

Steve Dashew cautions strongly against welded-all-in-one stanchion-base assemblies. He makes the very good point that if you lean on a piling or bulkhead, the stanchion will transfer its bending load to the base, which in turn transfers it to the deck. Done often enough, this will lead to wreaking in the bolt holes and inevitable water intrusion (I saw this on every boat that was damaged during Storm Sandy). Installing G-10 blocks in the deck core isn't always good enough-- really almost never good enough. That's only good to keep core from being affected and getting wet. Stanchion bases need really wide, expansive backing plates under the deck-- as large in area as you can make them, bonded well against flexing. Once the mounting bolts are drawn up snugly, the wide area of the backing plate will inhibit the flex.

Dashew also makes the point that the little rattling of stanchions in the bases is actually the safeguard you get against the mounting base wreaking in the deck. If you impose too great a load at the top of the stanchion, the stanchion tube will bend at the top of the base well before the arm-and-moment has a chance to work the base's bolts in the deck. And that would be a good thing in that case-- it's easier to replace a bent stanchion tube (which is still sort of doing its job) than to mend the weakened deck (with which I wouldn't leave the dock).

Dashew and many others (including me) warn against using the stupid little 1/4-20 set screws. There's not enough meat for them to thread into and they're too easily stripped, lost, loosened and rusted. To be truly secure, the stanchions and bases should be through-drilled (in situ, for the fit) and bolted with a long-shank-short-thread 1/4-20 hex-head and locknut. Ignore where the existing hole is-- turn these so that they are roughly parallel to the rail, to keep people from cutting bare feet on the bolt ends (turning them outboard might look ugly and increase chances of losing the locknut overboard). They'll wiggle no matter how you drill them. These do not have to be (indeed should not be) tightened to holy heaven. Snugged up against the base, with appropriate tension, is enough. The least you should do is to drill these and tap the cast base on the far side, threading the bolt into that. But these will always be one of those things, like cotter pins in rigging turnbuckles, that you inspect every day under way.

Heavy tubes aren't automatically the best thing for stanchions. They add weight; and too much metal and not enough space really increases the tendency to bend, just under a (slightly) higher load. One Cherubini 48 had solid rods for stanchions, custom-made, very heavy. You could kill a pirate with one of those things. But in my opinion this is false security and definitely false economy. If you're really worried, carry two spares on the boat (even the tubes are good anti-pirate weapons). And remember no lifeline system should require stanchions' removal to remove and replace the cable (I've seen too many that do!). :doh:

One more thing: a collar on a stanchion at one end of the lifeline system, with a tensionable cable run down to the deck, will allow you to maintain appropriate tension in the whole system. Attaching them directly to the pulpit results only in a really weak, twisty, unsightly network that I refer to as 'tuning the pulpit' -- no matter how or where you tension them, the pulpit will just keep bending. The surety against wobbly lifelines is to tune them appropriately, which means getting the too-flexible pulpit(s) out of the picture and rigging the system like it's really rigging.