LEACH FLUTTER

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Feb 6, 2008
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Hunter 41 Punta Gorda
Opportunity for Don...

Don, If you are ever in South Western Florida let me know and you can experiment with my H41. B&R rig with in mast furling and leach that flutters until you tighten the leach line so tight the leach hooks 2" to 4". Butch
 
May 17, 2004
2,111
Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
Orportunity

Butch / Jim: I don't think I'll be coming to DC but Punta Gorda is a different matter. My wifes son live in Cape Coral, FL. A few years back we came very close to buying a nome in Punta Gorda or Port Charlotte. In fact, to test the waters so to speak, I chartered two years in a row out of Burnt Store marina. During the last charter I got caught in the tail end of a hurricane that was hitting the panhandle. We were stuck in Fishermans Village for 3 days out of the 7 day charter. The rain and wind were something else!! The dock lines were so tight you could play a song on them!!! There was one thing I noticed about sailing in FL (Charlotte Harbor in particular) verses sailing in So Ca - in So Ca when your about 4 or 5 miles off the coast your in 5 fathoms while in FL your in about 15 feet. Instead of watching the knot meter I had to watch the depth meter!! One day I was just cruising around and happened to glance at the depth meter and it looked like 5'. What had happened was the mainsheet was laying over the "1" but it sure woke me up pretty fast. The cover on my book, The Sail Trim Users Guide, was taken on that charter.
 
Feb 6, 2008
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Hunter 41 Punta Gorda
So when are you coming?

It sounds like you are very familiar with the area. So when are you coming? I'm sure we can work something out to benefit both of us. Here is my email if you would like to get in touch with me. dmdorey@comcast.net Butch
 
Nov 28, 2004
209
Hunter 310 San Pedro
Don, A Challenge Accepted

Don, I own and sail a Hunter 310. I have replaced the forestay and tuned the the rig to my own beliefs. I welcome your and any other critique. I Have no presumptions about my boat except that they are correct for the conditions I sail in. Please contact me via this web site or directly at "dlrdirwhls@hotmail.com" My boat is ready now, in San Pedro, with 15 kts guaranteed by 3:00 PM Dennis W. S/V FullSailed
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
Leach flutter with in-mast furling

Chiding Bob V for his opinion on in-mast furling's short comings will not make it go away. He happens to be correct with his opinion. In-mast furling is a convenience for the skipper to make sail handling easier after the sailing is over and it's time to stow the main. The downside is in-mast furling sacrifices critical sail controls and the ability to make needed adjustments. Most notably leach flutter is a recurring problem with in-mast furling mainsails precisely because these sail controls are gone. Halyard tension and cunningham control are also sail controls that are simply not available to in-mast furling mains. Without these controls adjusting draft locations becomes almost impossible. Needless to say this greatly impacts the shape of the main and reduces the choices the skipper can make to maximize performance. When choosing to buy a boat with in-mast furling, one needs to be aware of these shortcomings.
 
Jun 13, 2005
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Irwin Barefoot 37 CC Sloop Port Orchard WA
Chet - a little leach flutter is much more aggravating

Than it is detrimental. Don is right about the battens and the use of the boom vang, but if you are cupping the leach to an extreme to stop the flutter your leach is stretched and should be taken to a sail-maker to tighten up. Additionally, if you have to constantly play the traveler to stop from being overpowered the main, jib or both, your sails are not working correctly for the conditions. If you have tightened the vang and don't see enough of an improvement, Try this: Ease your mainsheet, take your traveller to windward, and ease the vang a little; and that will let the end of your boom rise to twist off the head of the main. That will lower your center of effort and let your boat come back up on its feet. If you are still overpowered, move your jib sheets aft to do the same with the jib. You can theoretically continue to do this until you are sailing on only a small part of the foot of the main and the jib. I wouldn't recommend doing that for any length of time however, but it might get you through a short storm front. You will note when you do this that your telltales no longer flow uniformly from top to bottom, so disregard the uppers and sail on those about 1/3rd of the way up. We have occasionally done this in T-Birds (a 3/4 fractional rig), and on at least one occasion, sailed with a full main and a 150% genoa in winds from 0 to almost 50, but that much is never recommended. In a Short course in one design no one wants to lose the time to tuck in a reef or make a headsail change (We also had clew trimmers on the jib instead of track so that we were sheeting the foot almost straight to the winch). Remember though that with the main sheet holding the boom in, that the boom has to be held down by the vang or the boom will lift too much and be totally ineffective. This technique is also used when sailing in waves so that some part of the sail is always driving even though you are constantly pitching. As the bow dives the apparent goes forward,the head luffs, and you are sailing on the lower sails. As your bow rises, the apparent wind goes aft and the upper sail drives. Some part of your sail is always driving. If you didn't do that in waves, your sails would alternate from stalled to luffing continuously, and only pass through the proper trim for an instant. Hope that helps Joe
 

Jack

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Jan 30, 2008
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Hunter 33 -
Ditto for Don

We are just north of Boston and would be happy to have you on board our H33 any time. B&R Rig, in mast furling... Ditto on the rum. J&R
 
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CHET P

UPDATE FROM CHET P

WELL THE CAPT GOT A NEW MAIN AND IT IS A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE BETTER SEEMS THE CRAPPY STOCK SAIL THAT COMES WITH THE HUNTERS GAVE OUT AFTER ONLY 3 YEARS OF HARBOR SAILING... I GUESS YOU GETS WHAT THEY GIVE YOU WHEN YOU BUY FROM HUNTER... I WILL REMEMBER THIS WHEN I BUY MY NEXT NEW BOAT AND TAKE DELIVERY WITHOUT THE SAILS AND ASK FOR CREDIT. THAT WAY I CAN ORDER MY OWN AD GETSOMETHING THAT LASTS A BIT LONGER THEN OEM
 
Dec 25, 2000
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Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
Our 1991 model year boat has its original set of sails...

We've been sailing Belle-Vie for six years covering thousands of miles in PNW waters. They still hold their shape and trim characteristics, albeit with some appearances of age and wear. Terry
 
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