keel type

[pilot3503]

I purchased a Catalina 22 last year at my club, great sailing boat. There has been some discussion on my PHRF handicap for the Sunday races we hold during the summer. I was told the boat had a shoal keel because we are often in shallow water. However when I look at design info I don't think that is the keel because it doesn't run the length of the hull. Mine looked like a shorter version of the fin keel or maybe the wing keel that a previous owner took the wings off. Does anyone have a similar keel? The boat is in the water at present and will not come out for a few more weeks. The keel protrudes down about 2' feet from the hull and is about 4' long and actually fairly wide in the middle, if I remember correctly. It has an elliptical shape.

I am just trying to figure this out to get the right rating.

There is also a pump style bilge pump under the starboard lazarette that has a rotted diaphragm in it. Anyone know where to get a replacement? The pump is activated by inserting a rod next to the lazaretto and pumping manually

Thank you

 

[CaptDon01]

Over the years, Catalina had 5 keels on the C-22. Two different swing keels,(well, if you don't count the original swing keel on the first couple hundred boats), a fin keel, and two wing keels,(~1988-1994, and the shared Capri-22 wing keel 1995-2012), and maybe a couple MK-II's that had the Capri-22 fin keel installed at the factory. Sounds like someone did something, and if they cut the wings off, sure would seriously effect the righting ability of the boat. That's a lot less weight down there with no wings.

Check with our friends at Catalina Direct, they will have a re-build kit for the pump.

http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/category/16/cockpit.cfm

Don

 

[pilot3503]

I purchased a Catalina 22 last year at my club, great sailing boat. There has been some discussion on my PHRF handicap for the Sunday races we hold during the summer. I was told the boat had a shoal keel because we are often in shallow water. However when I look at design info I don't think that is the keel because it doesn't run the length of the hull. Mine looked like a shorter version of the fin keel or maybe the wing keel that a previous owner took the wings off. Does anyone have a similar keel? The boat is in the water at present and will not come out for a few more weeks. The keel protrudes down about 2' feet from the hull and is about 4' long and actually fairly wide in the middle, if I remember correctly. It has an elliptical shape.

I am just trying to figure this out to get the right rating.

There is also a pump style bilge pump under the starboard lazarette that has a rotted diaphragm in it. Anyone know where to get a replacement? The pump is activated by inserting a rod next to the lazaretto and pumping manually

Thank you

Thanks for the quick reply Don. I will research the Capri MK II keel, the person I bought it from said something about the Capri 22 so maybe that is it. Hope I don't have to use that handicap!

I can and often sail the boat heeled way over and except for for some weather helm it is very stable. I had a Balboa 20 before this and they handle about the same except the Balboa was a dog going downwind against any river current

 

[CaptDon01]

What year is your boat? Also, my PHRF experience in a couple long distance races has been they used the same rating on all the C-22's, swing, fin keel or wing keel boats,(with no difference if the newer boat had a Capri-22 wing keel), only difference being if the boat had a spinnaker.

Don

 

[pilot3503]

What year is your boat?

Don

I will have to look it up when I get home Friday, on a business trip. From what I have seen online and what I remember, i wonder if it was a wing keel that was modified. I will will contact the previous owner and ask him when I get home as well

 

[CaptDon01]

You shouldn't have to use a Capri-22 rating just because it might have come from the factory with a Capri-22 keel,(don't say anything, they will never know the difference). Besides, the Catalina-22 and the Capri-22 are two completely different boats. Different hulls, decks, rigging, and a much larger mainsail on the Capri-22 are just a few of the many differences.

Don

 

[Jackdaw]

You shouldn't have to use a Capri-22 rating just because it might have come from the factory with a Capri-22 keel,(don't say anything, they will never know the difference). Besides, the Catalina-22 and the Capri-22 are two completely different boats. Different hulls, decks, rigging, and a much larger mainsail on the Capri-22 are just a few of the many differences.

Don

You should not have to use the Capri 22 rating, but you should absolutely tell your rating committee what keel you have and let them make any adjustment they require.

Sailboat racing is a Corinthian sport and requires the high integrity of its participants to work.

 

[pilot3503]

You shouldn't have to use a Capri-22 rating just because it might have come from the factory with a Capri-22 keel,(don't say anything, they will never know the difference). Besides, the Catalina-22 and the Capri-22 are two completely different boats. Different hulls, decks, rigging, and a much larger mainsail on the Capri-22 are just a few of the many differences.

Don

Pretty sure it is a Capri 22 with the tall rig, but will look into it further when I get home tomorrow night

Deane

 

[Chief RA]

If it is a tall rig you better make sure you have the right weight keel under her! Chief

 

[pilot3503]

You shouldn't have to use a Capri-22 rating just because it might have come from the factory with a Capri-22 keel,(don't say anything, they will never know the difference). Besides, the Catalina-22 and the Capri-22 are two completely different boats. Different hulls, decks, rigging, and a much larger mainsail on the Capri-22 are just a few of the many differences.

Don

Don,

Finally looked up my paperwork. The hull is a 1986 and it looks like it is serial number 219 so I would imagine it is a capri 22 tall rig with a fin keel

thanks for your help

 

[econnors]

I have a 1987 Catalina 22. Lost my keel and am trying to figure out if a circa 1975 keel will fit as a replacement. Any idea? Thanks.

 

[pilot3503]

I have a 1987 Catalina 22. Lost my keel and am trying to figure out if a circa 1975 keel will fit as a replacement. Any idea? Thanks.

Sorry, trying to learn more about my boat and it's specs, don't know what would work for you

 

[CaptDon01]

Yes.....except for a limited number of the original boats, any C-22 swing keel will fit any swing keel version of a C-22. ~1970-1994 were the original cast iron keels, 1995 to present were the new style keel, but they will fit the older boats as well. I have a 1988 swing keel boat that needs a new keel, and I'll be purchasing one of the new ones for our boat.

Don

 

[allen-deckard]

hey don I don't need a keel but have thought about it since I'm sure mine will not last forever in the salt water. Anyway are you able to order the new style lead keel from the factory? do they make them as a replacement part? Or does a person just have to look for a junked out boat to get one from.

Just curious.

 

[CaptDon01]

Allan,

You can order a new keel from the factory. Now sit down and get ready for the big one.....they're $2,200. Plus shipping. So it's not a cheap fix. I've been advised against putting that kind of money into our "new design" C-22, but for what I've got into the boat, it won't put me up-side-down. Plus, it will add to the value of the boat, and eliminate some of the swing keel maintenance issues. Also, as pretty as the "new design" C-22's are, how could you turn away from such a pretty boat? I don't intend to slip the boat either. Lot's of C-22's with the cast iron keels are kept in salt water. But, it does require more maintenance and regular zinc replacements that unfortunately many owners neglect to do,(including the previous owner of our boat). Heck, the keel on my boat wasn't sealed with an epoxy barrier coating. Iron in saltwater doesn't have to be the end of the world. The historic "Star of India",(the oldest actively sailed ship in the world here in San Diego), was built of iron,(not steel), and she's still floating after over 150 years. But, it's taken a lot of maintenance to keep the corrosion under control.

Don

 

[jepomer]

Don,

Finally looked up my paperwork. The hull is a 1986 and it looks like it is serial number 219 so I would imagine it is a capri 22 tall rig with a fin keel

thanks for your help

What is the HIN?
It is located on the transom on the starboard side.

The first three characters are the manufacturer.
The next character is usually the model.

My Capri 22 starts out as "CPSH..."