Jib Sheet Cam Cleat Installation HELP

iSaint

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Jan 1, 2009
20
Catalina 22 Ocean Springs
I'm replacing my old stainless cam cleats with a couple of Harkin 150s after (forward of) my winches for the jib sheets. I'm a total sailing newbie, well, repair newbie. I see no template or instructions anywhere on the web, let alone accompanying the cleats.

I feel like I need an angled riser to make the line easier to cleat when sailing alone. Following are pics of the equipment I have ordered. Any guidance would be appreciated in the manner of a template, type of drill bit, and type of screws and bolts needed.

Why the heck doesn't a manufacturer sell the accessories to install their equipment? Why aren't there instructions? UGH!
 

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iSaint

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Jan 1, 2009
20
Catalina 22 Ocean Springs
Nothing on that link about basic Harken 150 Cam Cleat installation. I'm looking for:

1) using attached template, mark location for installation (I see no template)
2) using XXXX size drill bit, carefully drill into hull at marked locations
3) using XXX screws and washers (included in sale of Harken 150 Cam Cleat NOT) and 4200 sealant, place cleat on top of holes and
4) using xxx type washer and xxx size lock nuts (NOT included in sale of Harken 150 Cam Cleat but should be)

(what's an acorn nut?)

Sorry, guys, but maintenance hasn't been my thing in life so I'm slow learning.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,135
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
The right pane in that link shows blow up diagrams of the cam cleats.

Acorn nuts? Look i up in a WM catalog online or in print, Defender, too. They are nuts with tops like, well, acorns, to make a smooth bottom so you don't hit your head on bare bolt bottoms. Google? Always useful.

4200 - don't use it. Butyl suggested earlier or even silicone.
 
Mar 20, 2012
3,983
Cal 34-III, MacGregor 25 Salem, Oregon
Nothing on that link about basic Harken 150 Cam Cleat installation. I'm looking for:

1) using attached template, mark location for installation (I see no template)
2) using XXXX size drill bit, carefully drill into hull at marked locations
3) using XXX screws and washers (included in sale of Harken 150 Cam Cleat NOT) and 4200 sealant, place cleat on top of holes and
4) using xxx type washer and xxx size lock nuts (NOT included in sale of Harken 150 Cam Cleat but should be)

(what's an acorn nut?)

Sorry, guys, but maintenance hasn't been my thing in life so I'm slow learning.
first off, everything you need to know about the install is there in your hand, providing whats in your hand is the cam cleat.
sometimes buying locally from the nearest outfitter is a better choice than online, as they can supply you with all the tips and additional hardware you need to do an install of what you buy from them...

if the harken camcleat came with a small red product card attached to it with small black zip ties, the template is there.... but in the event that you have already discarded that "trash", you can lay the camcleat on the deck where you want it, and using a 13/64 drill bit, stick the bit in one of the screw holes and turn it slow a couple of revolutions... this will mark the first hole.

move the camcleat aside and drill the marked spot on the deck.... then replace the camcleat into position... insert a bolt in the cleat and thru the first hole in the deck.... position the angle of the cleat where you want it, and mark the other hole.... move the cleat out of the way and drill the hole.....

now, using #10 counter-sunk oval head hardware of the length you need for your application (and sealer), bolt the thing down.
and only someone (you) at the boat after the holes are drilled can determine the proper length of the bolts needed....no one but you knows if you will use a fairlead, stand-off, a fairing, or both, or mounted directly to the deck.... so, NO, bolts nuts and washers WONT be included in the sale of the camcleat, as they would increase the cost of the unit and probably be wrong for your application, and it would only get you upset cuz the bolts are wrong that were included with the cleat.... harken doesnt want you to be upset with them because they gave you the wrong length of bolts... but if you told them or your local outfitter what you needed, they would be happy to sell you some... ya gotta remember, the project you are attempting is yours, not theirs... they dont really know and arent really interested in anything except supplying you with a quality product for your project...

and its fairly obvious you have a computer, so feel free to use it.... do a search for acorn nut.

acorn nuts are expensive and are not needed, and actually needs a bit more precision to get them fitted correctly.

you can use long bolts with fender washers, or I would recommend a backing plate, but either way... install the bolts with the nuts on them snugly (DONT forget the sealer under the cleat)... then take a pair of pliers and grip the long length of excess bolt and work it back a forth a few degrees side to side... in about 5 motions, the bolt will break off right at the nut.... re-tighten the nut a half turn and if there is any sharp thread sticking out, tap it lightly and it will peen down... dab it with a tiny bit of the same sealer you used to bed the cleat with and you are set... you can also use silicone to dab the nut with, as it mainly insures the nut will never work loose on its own....

and one hint... maintenance is something that if you dont have patience with and for, its only ever going to be an aggravation for you and tools will become your enemy, rather than your friend... they will become weapons of mass destruction to anything you touch with them:D
 

iSaint

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Jan 1, 2009
20
Catalina 22 Ocean Springs
Thanks for the information and clarification on needed accessories. I'm not that bad of a maintenance person, I just need clear direction and also to take my time on any project.

Life is a learning process!

Thanks again! I'll post pictures when completed.
 

iSaint

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Jan 1, 2009
20
Catalina 22 Ocean Springs
why install them forward of your job sheet winches :confused:
Crew will be forward. Or, if you're single handed, you're using the tiller extension and are seated forward.

That's where the older ones were. I'll post a pic.
 
Mar 20, 2012
3,983
Cal 34-III, MacGregor 25 Salem, Oregon
Crew will be forward. Or, if you're single handed, you're using the tiller extension and are seated forward.

That's where the older ones were. I'll post a pic.
yea, the rope can be led off of the winch at any angle, even forward, but if you ever need/want to single hand, you may need to install another set of cleats led in the direction so the person at the tiller can also run the sheets without any troubles...
 
Aug 11, 2011
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catalina 22 Islamorada
was gonna answer but believe it was answered above that the template should have been on the cardboard that the cleat was zip tied to. Always has been for me.

Aside from that yah online as stated above.