J24 Trailer Question

Apr 23, 2014
12
Catalina 22 Nashville
I was hoping someone could help me with a trailer question. I currently sail a Catalina 22 out of a slip, easy in easy, out...But I am getting tired of the J boats passing me on the lake. I'm looking at an used J24 that comes with a trailer (pictured)...it has been suggested that if I purchase and extended hitch I can launch it from a back down ramp. Any thoughts on this particular trailer and ease of launching due to lack of rails on the trailer? Thanks

 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
We have a big fleet of J24s at our club. No one ramp launches them. You will have to get your trailer wheels in 5 feet of water before it floats. If the dolly wheel is big and strong enough, you might be able to roll it back on a towing strap if your ramp is long and smooth enough. Getting it launched will be hard, getting it back on the trailer, even harder. That trailer will have no keel guides because its so hard to ramp launch them.

They are very quick boats for their size. A whole new league.
 
Aug 14, 2013
308
MacGregor 26S High Desert
So you want to keep the Catalina in the slip and trailer sail the J24? I would strongly consider doing it the other way around depending on the keel configuration of the 22.
 
Apr 23, 2014
12
Catalina 22 Nashville
Thanks for the info Jackdaw...Sock Puppet, the plan was to sell the catalina and launch the J boat as needed to keep the hull out the water, but it looks like that probably won't be an option b/c there are few if any lift launches in the area.
 
Nov 9, 2008
1,338
Pearson-O'Day 290 Portland Maine
Are you talking about launch once a year? You could modify the trailer slightly, add bunks on the pads and build a keel guide/stop. Also, make the spare swing down on a spindle. But that would still be a pain to launch. It really isn't a trailerable.
 
Oct 2, 2006
1,517
Jboat J24 commack








Being a FORMER owner who bought hull #2733 new (1981) and later #2940 (2005) the boats are getting pretty beat up and tired at this point and we kind of forgot how only two people have and even marginal level of comfort and bailed pretty quick on 2005 boat

you would be looking at the high end to find a boat with dry decks and hull

I think your overlooking the whole 35' mast thing which while not the end of the world requires a deck mounted gin pole with 19 feet + of lift to handle the mast and a fair amount of time 1 hour up and 1 hour down If you fast :eek:
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
I think your overlooking the whole 35' mast thing which while not the end of the world requires a deck mounted gin pole with 19 feet + of lift to handle the mast and a fair amount of time 1 hour up and 1 hour down If you fast :eek:
LOL great point; keel stepped mast! Makes pulling up to your random ramp less likely for sure.

Back to the OP - over 1/2 of the boats in our VERY competitive J24 OD fleet wet sail them. The other half lifts them in boat lifts. As Tom mentions, the boat is not designed for comfort. I don't know anyone that sails it for 'fun'. The Capri 25 and Merit 25 where both boats that were designed to 'compete' with the j24; both are more comfortable and almost as quick.
 
Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
We have a club member with a J24. He does ramp launch it in the spring, and retrieve in the fall. It has something like a 25' extension. Same for a club member with a Santana 20.

Park on ramp, chock wheels. Disconnect vehicle. Connect to extension (mounted alongside main tongue.) Pull out extension. Pin. Unchock. Back down the ramp.

The J24 owner makes it look easy. Had some problems with the Santana 20 retrieving last year, but we got 'er dun.

The J24 also has some form of crane that is used to step and unstep the mast.
 
Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
Hey, why not get a Left Coast Dart with a lifting keel? There are quite a few lifting keel sport boats out there nowadays, right quick boats…
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Hey, why not get a Left Coast Dart with a lifting keel? There are quite a few lifting keel sport boats out there nowadays, right quick boats…
Sure. At twenty times the price. There is not a single person on this board that has spent $100k on a sub-30 foot boat.

That's what a LCD takes.
 

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Aug 10, 2012
556
WD Schock Wavelength 24 Wallenpaupack
Couple things... YES you can trailer launch the J/24.
You have to find a more robust wheel for the dolly.
you also must make sure the boat is forward (tongue heavy) on the trailer... some will place a secondary dolly on the aft section of the trailer (insurance)...

The procedure goes like this.
back to the water, not in... put in wheel chocks....
leave safety chains on... unhitch trailer.
lower trailer to dolly.
wrap strap from tow vehicle to trailer... remove safety chains... pull tow vehicle forward, remove wheel chocks... back trailer down.

This works great as LONG as the ramp is long (very long)... and is sufficiently steep to allow you to not run out of strap before you float the boat (like was said you need deepish water)... 4' keel roughly 6-12 inches off the ground (its sitting on a trailer after all), so think about 5' to get you floated.

I do this every season... I do it solo.


NOW... you are floating, but you still have to stick the pole. That's a keel stepped mast, and honestly you have 2 options if the club does not have a crane.

A large A frame, or what the J/24 folks call a GIN pole, but it's really a secondary mast. You basically setup a 20-22 foot high 3 stayed mast... with a block on top... run a line/halyard up it, with a bridle around the mast for the J/24, looped around the spreaders (I hear that you want to run to lower lines to hold the loop down, and pull the line back down once the mast is up)... I don't have to do this, as I have a deck stepped mast... but 2 of our J/24 owners do this. Anyway, with 1 person lifting the mast (with the secondary mast halyard) 2 others steer the foot of the mast into the slot.... Again you MUST have a secondary mast or A-frame that sits HIGHER than the mid-point of the mast.

Once the mast is lowered into the hole, one person goes around connecting shrouds...

IT ALL SOUNDS great, but it's a scary way to raise a mast. DECK stepped masts are easier (IF) they have a hinged mast step.

Again, deck stepped with hinged base is much easier... I did this myself.


And don't let anyone tell you an S2 7.9 is faster than a J/24.
its not.. they are close... The S2 7.9 is a better heavier air boat than the J/24, in light air the J will eat their lunch... and in light air I eat both their lunches, and I am rated MUCH slower than both.

The S2 7.9 is a good compromise boat, and it's a ton easier to launch than the J/24 or the Capri 25. Its heavier built, and probably #1000-#15000 heavier than the J/24 or the Capri 25.

The Left Coast Dart is also an expensive option and a great boat, based on the core of the B25 (also a fun boat)... the B25 is a twitchy little boat, considered one of the first sport boats actually.. its a TRUE Ultra Light Displacement boat, and requires attention to minute detail to sail well to its rating... I submit that the Left Coast Dart probably does too... both sweet racing boats.

Personally, going from a Catalina 22, I'd suggest going to a J/22 or a J/80 to race on. Easy to find tuning guides, and a lot of boats to buy that are in decent shape.. the J/22 would be a much easier transition for you as well. It's a deck stepped mast, and a lighter boat than the J/24. Yeah used its a bit more expensive...
 
Jun 8, 2004
853
Pearson 26W Marblehead
ramp launch a j24

Seems like a lot of work to me I suppose necessity is the mother of invention. There are a lot of J24`s in my harbor Im talking ocean water with an average 10 ft tide
there is a ramp but I have never seen anyone launch a keel boat with anywhere near 4' draft
there. Isnt there a crane available where you sail .
 
Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
Jackdaw, all I can say is I wish boats weren't so damn expensive... We po' folk are always going to be waiting for the scraps of the rich folk to depreciate and get to affordable price for us on the used market...

I like the idea of the LCD, but I don't like the "sit on" cockpit, I'd rather have a "sit in" cockpit. It would be fun to have an asym boat that screams around on plane, but such a boat wouldn't be very practical for 80% cruising, 20% racing... Every time I see an A shaped hull on plane on Sailing Anarchy, I have to remind myself there's no way to cruise such a beast...
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Jackdaw, all I can say is I wish boats weren't so damn expensive... We po' folk are always going to be waiting for the scraps of the rich folk to depreciate and get to affordable price for us on the used market...

I like the idea of the LCD, but I don't like the "sit on" cockpit, I'd rather have a "sit in" cockpit. It would be fun to have an asym boat that screams around on plane, but such a boat wouldn't be very practical for 80% cruising, 20% racing... Every time I see an A shaped hull on plane on Sailing Anarchy, I have to remind myself there's no way to cruise such a beast...
I hear you.

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