I resisted the idea that the smell was coming from the hoses. After multiple scubbing of the bilge, hull interior, inside of the holding tank, etc. I would return to "Persistence" our '83 Catalina 30 to find the same awful smell. I finally rubbed one of the hoses and knew this was a problem and replaced them all. Interestingly, the instant that the bad hose was removed, the air cleared. ALSO discovered while doing this, that the vent hose was bent and filled with waste (formed a look like a trap in a sink). Fixed that and I think next year will be much more "nose friendly." I should have listed to Peggy and others much sooner. Charles Weiss
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Peggy, The work is still underway in revamping the holding tank system. I went to the local WM and BoatUS stores last weekend to inquire about Sea Land hose. Neither store currently stocks it. WM handles Shield and said they could order it as they stock other Sea Land products, but I may have to buy much more than I need because of ordering minimums. BoatUS handles Trident and the manager said basically that I could take it or leave it. Practical Sailor gave Sea Land hose a ringing endorsement, head and shoulders over ALL the other brands, and even though it's expensive, I only want to do this once and am willing to pay the price. Do you know of a source (catalog or store) where a person can order a small amount. I probably will need no more than 15-20'. Tom Ehmke
Peggy, The work is still underway in revamping the holding tank system. I went to the local WM and BoatUS stores last weekend to inquire about Sea Land hose. Neither store currently stocks it. WM handles Shield and said they could order it as they stock other Sea Land products, but I may have to buy much more than I need because of ordering minimums. BoatUS handles Trident and the manager said basically that I could take it or leave it. Practical Sailor gave Sea Land hose a ringing endorsement, head and shoulders over ALL the other brands, and even though it's expensive, I only want to do this once and am willing to pay the price. Do you know of a source (catalog or store) where a person can order a small amount. I probably will need no more than 15-20'. Tom Ehmke
Tom, SeaLand hose is only sold through their...
own distributors/"service centers"--at least not in any lengths shorter than a 50' coil. Give 'em a call for the name of the one nearest you. 800-321-9886 It only comes in 1.5"...use Shields for your tank vent and toilet intake.
own distributors/"service centers"--at least not in any lengths shorter than a 50' coil. Give 'em a call for the name of the one nearest you. 800-321-9886 It only comes in 1.5"...use Shields for your tank vent and toilet intake.
Thanks, Peggy. I gather that you recommend
Shields hose over the Trident? The Sea Land hose may be out of the question now. I sure don't need 50' of it. I wanted to go first class and would still do so if I could find a way to buy a shorter length. Thanks for the phone number. I'll give 'em a call tomorrow.
Shields hose over the Trident? The Sea Land hose may be out of the question now. I sure don't need 50' of it. I wanted to go first class and would still do so if I could find a way to buy a shorter length. Thanks for the phone number. I'll give 'em a call tomorrow.
Shields OR Trident, Tom...
They're identical in quality. WM sells Shields...BOAT/US sells Trident. I don't know why you say that the SeaLand hose is prob'ly out of the question 'cuz you can't get less than 50' from West of BOAT/US. Order what you do need from a SeaLand distributor. Or do what I've known several others to do: find somebody else who needs to re-hose and split a 50' coil with 'em. Either of those two solutions may not be the most convenient solution, but a LOT more convenient than re-hosing again in a year or two.
They're identical in quality. WM sells Shields...BOAT/US sells Trident. I don't know why you say that the SeaLand hose is prob'ly out of the question 'cuz you can't get less than 50' from West of BOAT/US. Order what you do need from a SeaLand distributor. Or do what I've known several others to do: find somebody else who needs to re-hose and split a 50' coil with 'em. Either of those two solutions may not be the most convenient solution, but a LOT more convenient than re-hosing again in a year or two.
Tom do you want to share an order?
Tom, If Sealand won't sell less than 50'perhaps we could share an order or find another to split it into thirds. I purchased my H31 out of Catawba Island this summer would like to replace hoses before it goes back into the water. Let me know if you are interested.
Tom, If Sealand won't sell less than 50'perhaps we could share an order or find another to split it into thirds. I purchased my H31 out of Catawba Island this summer would like to replace hoses before it goes back into the water. Let me know if you are interested.
Let's get hosed, Steve
Steve, I haven't called SeaLand yet, but I plan on doing so on Monday. If I have to order a minimum, I can let you know what it is, and we can pool the order. If not, and I can order just what I need, you can do the same. My e-mail address is tomclaud @wcnet.org.
Steve, I haven't called SeaLand yet, but I plan on doing so on Monday. If I have to order a minimum, I can let you know what it is, and we can pool the order. If not, and I can order just what I need, you can do the same. My e-mail address is tomclaud @wcnet.org.
Heavy hose may not fit !!
I tried the Sealand product and another heavy industrial hose manufacture this weekend and could not make the tight turns and bends required to feed it through the existing holes and behind walls and other items. We had to go to to West Marine and buy their soft waste hose to get the job done without major demo work. You better check this out first. I spent over $100 for the tough hose and could not use it.
I tried the Sealand product and another heavy industrial hose manufacture this weekend and could not make the tight turns and bends required to feed it through the existing holes and behind walls and other items. We had to go to to West Marine and buy their soft waste hose to get the job done without major demo work. You better check this out first. I spent over $100 for the tough hose and could not use it.
When the bend is too tight for the hose...
Forcing any hose into a tight bend is just asking for trouble--sooner or later it's gonna kink and create a clog. When the bend is tighter than the hose will make easily, it's necessary to break the hose and insert 90 or 45 degree inline radius fitting. Hang onto that SeaLand hose, Jerry...that way you'll already have it when you have to do this job again next year or the year after--and I'm 99% certain that you will. WHY don't y'all ask questions and get some advice BEFORE you tackle any project? It's soooo much easier--and often (as you've found out) a whole lot cheaper--to do it right once than it is to do it over!
Forcing any hose into a tight bend is just asking for trouble--sooner or later it's gonna kink and create a clog. When the bend is tighter than the hose will make easily, it's necessary to break the hose and insert 90 or 45 degree inline radius fitting. Hang onto that SeaLand hose, Jerry...that way you'll already have it when you have to do this job again next year or the year after--and I'm 99% certain that you will. WHY don't y'all ask questions and get some advice BEFORE you tackle any project? It's soooo much easier--and often (as you've found out) a whole lot cheaper--to do it right once than it is to do it over!
Peggy, sometimes you scold us...
when we ask the same question that you just answered ten times the week before. I just bought the SeaLand hose with Steve after our discussion about what to use. The ease of accessing information from this and other websites is both its strong and weak point. It is ONLY information until we are ready to put it to use. Then we ask again and turn it into application. Be patient with us... and thanks again.
when we ask the same question that you just answered ten times the week before. I just bought the SeaLand hose with Steve after our discussion about what to use. The ease of accessing information from this and other websites is both its strong and weak point. It is ONLY information until we are ready to put it to use. Then we ask again and turn it into application. Be patient with us... and thanks again.
Here's my question
I was at the boat this weekend trying to get a measurement on the hoses and trying to determine how I was going to get hose back through the passage ways. One thing that I could not determine was how the hose was connected to the pump out fitting on the deck. My hose is a white corrigated thing with a rubber end (reminds me of a shop vac hose) which goes up through the deck plate and disappears. I tried to take out the topside fitting but realized that I will have to use caulk remover to do so. Before going through this exercise, does anyone have a quick answer as to how I can attach a new hose to this fitting? Perhaps it sticks down far enough for me to get a hose clamp on it from the inside but I couldn't tell without taking it apart.
I was at the boat this weekend trying to get a measurement on the hoses and trying to determine how I was going to get hose back through the passage ways. One thing that I could not determine was how the hose was connected to the pump out fitting on the deck. My hose is a white corrigated thing with a rubber end (reminds me of a shop vac hose) which goes up through the deck plate and disappears. I tried to take out the topside fitting but realized that I will have to use caulk remover to do so. Before going through this exercise, does anyone have a quick answer as to how I can attach a new hose to this fitting? Perhaps it sticks down far enough for me to get a hose clamp on it from the inside but I couldn't tell without taking it apart.
What you have, Steve...
...is a connection that uses a cuff--which hasn't been used in sanitation plumbing--at least not by boat builders and anyone but "shade tree" mechanics and misguided boat owners--in the last 20 years. And neither has corrugated hose! No WONDER your boat stinks!
Your pumpout fitting SHOULD be long enough to slide (not as easy as that sounds, but that's how it works) 1.5" sanition hose onto it and secure it with two hose clamps. The hard part may an accessibility issue--getting to the bottom end of the pumpout fitting to get the hose onto it. Before you start this project, if you haven't already, check out article in the HM forum library on replacing hoses. There's no way to make it an easy job, but there are few tricks that maker easier.
...is a connection that uses a cuff--which hasn't been used in sanitation plumbing--at least not by boat builders and anyone but "shade tree" mechanics and misguided boat owners--in the last 20 years. And neither has corrugated hose! No WONDER your boat stinks!
Your pumpout fitting SHOULD be long enough to slide (not as easy as that sounds, but that's how it works) 1.5" sanition hose onto it and secure it with two hose clamps. The hard part may an accessibility issue--getting to the bottom end of the pumpout fitting to get the hose onto it. Before you start this project, if you haven't already, check out article in the HM forum library on replacing hoses. There's no way to make it an easy job, but there are few tricks that maker easier.Damned if you do/Damned if you don't?
You're right...I need to learn to be a little more patient with y'all. However, this is only a one of half a dozen sites on which I help with plumbing and odor problems, plus about 50 e-mails a week (sometimes that many in a day!) and I'm on at least 2 e-mail list-serves at any given time---and EVERYbody is asking the same questions! Sometimes it's just more than a cranky ol' lady can bear! However-- The problem is, too few people ask "what should I do" and/or "how do I do this" BEFORE they've already done something--or lots of somethings--that either didn't work or has created future problems even if it's appeared to work--and then they recommend their solution to others. I'd MUCH rather answer repeated questions about what to do than than have to tell people what they shouldn't have done...'cuz there's just no diplomatic way to do that. But I can't just let bad advice lie there for others to use, or I'm not doin' my job. So yes, I do scold you--more than I should. But I mean well...and my bark is MUCH worse than my bite--honest!
You're right...I need to learn to be a little more patient with y'all. However, this is only a one of half a dozen sites on which I help with plumbing and odor problems, plus about 50 e-mails a week (sometimes that many in a day!) and I'm on at least 2 e-mail list-serves at any given time---and EVERYbody is asking the same questions! Sometimes it's just more than a cranky ol' lady can bear! However-- The problem is, too few people ask "what should I do" and/or "how do I do this" BEFORE they've already done something--or lots of somethings--that either didn't work or has created future problems even if it's appeared to work--and then they recommend their solution to others. I'd MUCH rather answer repeated questions about what to do than than have to tell people what they shouldn't have done...'cuz there's just no diplomatic way to do that. But I can't just let bad advice lie there for others to use, or I'm not doin' my job. So yes, I do scold you--more than I should. But I mean well...and my bark is MUCH worse than my bite--honest!
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