Is your battery half empty or half full?

Phil Herring

Alien
Mar 25, 1997
4,924
- - Bainbridge Island
Do you have enough power?

With the explosion of powered appliances, electronics, and miscellaneous gadgets, has your electrical system kept pace?

Have you upgraded the batteries, charging system, or perhaps added a solar source?

Tell the truth about your power.

 
May 1, 2011
5,459
Pearson 37 Lusby MD
Added a pair of 130W solar panels several years back. They seem to keep up with demand.
 
Jul 30, 2010
25
Hunter 36 West Chazy, NY / Montreal Que.
Added a pair of 130W solar panels several years back. They seem to keep up with demand.
Do you have enough power?

With the explosion of powered appliances, electronics, and miscellaneous gadgets, has your electrical system kept pace?

Have you upgraded the batteries, charging system, or perhaps added a solar source?

Tell the truth about your power.

Using an old outdated Windbugger wind generator running juice into veins of three 7-years old batteries
 

dwcory

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Nov 27, 2013
10
Catalina 30 Salem, MA
I have two G24 batteries on my sailboat, charged only from the engine. We keep her on a mooring, so charging is an issue. I'm in the process of adding a 50W solar panel. I know I'm not treating the batteries right. Probably not getting them back to full charge very often, so I think they won't hold more than about 12.6V. I went through four batteries in the first three years of owning the boat. Then I wired them in parallel last spring, and that's kept them both much happier. Overall, I think the amount of power is adequate, if I can get them fully charged more often. When I replace the batteries, I plan on going with something larger. But don't want to invest in something until I get the solar going to be able to top them off, which will make them last longer.
 
Oct 24, 2010
2,405
Hunter 30 Everett, WA
We keep her in a slip where shore power on our Xantrex 20 charger Topps them off nicely (2 group 31s plus a smaller emergency starting battery all AGM but that's a long story). We are good for one day and night on the hook without starting up. We improve the situation by shutting off the fridge at night which also eliminates the noise. I'm too cheap and lazy to replace the fridge while it's working with something quieter and more efficient. I also haven't figured out how to get the cabinet appart without damaging it. I figured more insulation would help.


Ken
 
Sep 20, 2006
2,953
Hunter 33 Georgian Bay, Ontario, Canada
4 Group 31's 520 ah total. 1 Group 27 emergency/start battery
Solar panel 320 watts, EpEver MPPT 30w controller.
5 days on the hook, batteries 100%.


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Feb 18, 2017
1
Custom Custom Ensenada
I have Surrette/Rolls lead acid batteries, 2 banks, each 840 amps. One bank is now 18years old and still at 90 % The other is only 3 years old and doing find.(I had tried 3 different battery manufacturers for the second bank, each lasted 3-5 years. then bit the bullet and installed another Surrette bank) We use an average of 260 amp hrs a by morning each day. We have 330watts (6 seimens 55W) of solar in the system which helps during the day. I installed a
Pulsetech PowerPulse 12-Volt Battery Maintenance System
in 2000 and contribute the longevity of my batteries to that. Also maintenance, never let the batteries run down below 55%, never let them run low on fluid. Our vessel is a 67ft ketch :)
 
Nov 18, 2016
163
Hunter 260 Lucky Peak, ID
Baby application trailer cruiser here. Have a starting battery and an added, dedicated house cell. Both charged off the alternator, plug in or a portable solar trickle at the slip (no services available).

So far so good but...…..have not added Mrs. Snows proposed: freezer, flat screen/dvd, plotter, auto pilot, fans etc. Doing so will require a little analysis on projected draw and...…..a bigger relocated house bank with/ a fixed solar charger.

Not to hijack but...besides Rolls, any other battery recommendations?
 

dwcory

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Nov 27, 2013
10
Catalina 30 Salem, MA
h2o Snow,
I've heard really good things about Trojan batteries. When I replace mine, was planning on going that route.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Our boat is currently sitting on her mooring at 42% SOC with all charging including solar turned OFF...

With no risk of sulfation (LiFePO4) there no need to ever get back to 100% SOC. :biggrin: :wink: The bank is designed to go about 4 days on the hook with no charging when out cruising.
 
May 20, 2016
3,015
Catalina 36 MK1 94 Everett, WA
My house battery budget is past empty!!! Had to change out house due to a dead cell. Didn’t have funds to go AGM again so FLA for me. 4 GC2’s from Dyno.

Les
 
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Oct 26, 2008
6,432
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
We have 2 grp 27's FLA deep cycle and a SLA start batt from Walmart. They were abused with undercharging (alternator only) for a few years, but seem to be doing fine with the Sterling 30A charger I now use for past 2 seasons to keep a full charge and equalize. I don't often charge when I'm away from the boat, though. Our use is not heavy since I have no chartplotter, autopilot or refrigerator on the boat at this time.
 
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TomY

Alden Forum Moderator
Jun 22, 2004
2,769
Alden 38' Challenger yawl Rockport Harbor
Do you have enough power?

With the explosion of powered appliances, electronics, and miscellaneous gadgets, has your electrical system kept pace?

Have you upgraded the batteries, charging system, or perhaps added a solar source?

Tell the truth about your power.
A few years ago, even without refrigeration, charging was dictating how we sailed. After just a night (maybe 2 if we conserved), our house (2 Grp 27 lead acid) were seriously discharged. Instead of sailing off the anchor or mooring, or spending another day, we had to run the engine for an hour or so. I installed a Balmar dual output alternator and external regulator, 15 or so years ago.

The culprits were: Auto Pilot(WP 4000ST- it steers most of our miles), incandescent cabin lights, lap top computers (we had 2 teenagers),...etc. Not too bad but this required regular charging. Plus the discharged bank called for all the Balmar can put out (70 amps?) which in turn caused fast wear on the belt-which causes adding tension-which causes excessive wear on the water pump(installed a new one this spring),...and so on.

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I had 2 choices, one: Add battery bank storage, rebuild alt belt system, add solar panels,...Solar: There isn't a good space for a large panel on our boat and I don't want to add a mount somewhere that will be in the way or need adjusting.

I went for the other choice - two: Conservation.

AP- It's hard to tell how much juice you use with an AP. But with a WP, you can feel the motor. If it's hot, it's running hard(often). Experimenting more with the rudder gain, speed settings, I've found more efficient steering. Often the boat wants very little from the AP and can steer itself, and use less power in the process.

Cabin lights- Finally changed all of the incandescent 12VDC household bulb for LED bulbs.

Laptops are gone, as are the kids. But they're obsolete (not the kids), on the boat now. We're using a tablet for GPS and occasional online work, phones for GPS and online. In fact most everything that isn't direct wired to the boat (like a shipboard GPS) is working on a smaller wattage USB plug. In fact, we just don't have many heavy power users onboard these days.

After nearly a month onboard this season we enjoyed 3-4 days at a dock or at anchor. When it came to charging, house bank was never so low that the Balmar needed full output to charge. Easy on belts and little engine time needed. In fact because we were traveling, we needed to power more miles than we usually would, close to home.

I know now; we need a small solar panel simply to top up the last 10% or so, at our mooring. Charging life is good! Sailing life is better!
 
Mar 26, 2011
3,956
Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
Our boat is currently sitting on her mooring at 42% SOC with all charging including solar turned OFF...

With no risk of sulfation (LiFePO4) there no need to ever get back to 100% SOC. :biggrin: :wink: The bank is designed to go about 4 days on the hook with no charging when out cruising.
Do you have any info re. low temperature charging of Li? Information on the net seems sparse. Above freezing and below.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
You don't want to charge below 0C or 32F... The only LFP maker I know of that claims this can be done is Winston, specifically their LiFeYPO4 chemistry. I have Winston cells, but after pestering them for any third party confirmation/data, and multiple Universities who test LFP batteries, and every connection I have in the industry, no data has come through showing that by adding Yttrium it makes it safe to charge LFP at sub freezing.

Winston Chung has made some rather outrageous claims in the past so it is not surprising that no data exists to back his claims of sub freezing charging. The rumor mill suggests that he only added Yttrium to get around a patent dispute between he and Sinopoly (he sold his original technology to Sinopoly).

You could not pay me to charge our Winston bank at sub 32F. In fact we have a temp sensor that locks out the charge bus if the cells are below 32F. If you have to sail in the winter LFP is not for you unless heated to above freezing.

LiFePO4 Batteries On Boats (LINK)

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Mar 26, 2011
3,956
Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
You don't want to charge below 0C or 32F... The only LFP maker I know of that claims this can be done is Winston, specifically their LiFeYPO4 chemistry. I have Winston cells, but after pestering them for any third party confirmation/data, and multiple Universities who test LFP batteries, and every connection I have in the industry, no data has come through showing that by adding Yttrium it makes it safe to charge LFP at sub freezing.

Winston Chung has made some rather outrageous claims in the past so it is not surprising that no data exists to back his claims of sub freezing charging. The rumor mill suggests that he only added Yttrium to get around a patent dispute between he and Sinopoly (he sold his original technology to Sinopoly).

You could not pay me to charge our Winston bank at sub 32F. In fact we have a temp sensor that locks out the charge bus if the cells are below 32F. If you have to sail in the winter LFP is not for you unless heated to above freezing.

LiFePO4 Batteries On Boats (LINK)

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So you haul in the winter and disconnect?

What would you do if stored in the water in the winter and had to power a sump pump (I do)? Heat the compartment? (Many marinas frown on this.)

Or is LA a better choice?