Interesting..

Oct 3, 2011
835
Anam Cara Catalina 310 Hull #155 155 Lake Erie/Catawba Island
We had a slow non sailing day at the boat so we investigated the type and age of our batteries that came with the boat having no knowledge as to when they were replaced or what kind they were. We thought the batteries were AGM's but we knew they were 4D's. Upon MUCH peering at angles that were strange to be able to fiqure out what we have, we were able to ascertain that through the numbers we were able to see, we found we have Interstate Batteries. They were built and installed in May of...2005! :dance: They are GEL batteries and the precursor to AGM's as Interstate does not make Gel anymore. When I asked the customer service girl how long they should last she was surprised as to the age but felt age was still not an issue as long as they hold a charge! Replacement cost is $517.00 per for 200 Amp hrs each.!
We are not replacing them.
 
Nov 18, 2010
2,441
Catalina 310 Hingham, MA
Alan,

I would be really interested to see if the PO also replaced the charger. Do you know what charger you have?

Gels can be good if they are fed right.

Jesse
 
Aug 2, 2009
651
Catalina 315 Muskegon
When you do replace them, be sure to check out everything MaineSail (a contributor to this forum and others) has to say about batteries.

I can tell you that for most applications, he tends to steer people away from AGM batteries. If you study his information, you'll be in for a few surprises. For most of us, flooded lead acid batteries are the most appropriate. Also, makes great sense to replace 12v batteries with pairs of 6v batteries (wired to produce 12v). For the same footprint, the golf cart batteries store more power, and are heavier duty, allowing more deep discharge cycling and a longer life.

He points out that the 4D batteries are truck batteries, and not a true deep cycle battery. I'll point out that it's a heck of a lot easier picking up and lugging around a golf cart battery than a @#$&ing 4D battery.

The golf cart batteries are a little taller than most 12v batteries, so installations on some boats can be difficult or impossible. They fit my previous boat, a Catalina 309, very nicely. Two 6v batteries have about the same total footprint as a 4D, and on my 309, they fit in the same battery box.

Obviously, if you replace a 12v battery with two 6v's, they'll need to be cabled together. Read MaineSail's info and he'll put you onto a company that will make proper cables for you at a very reasonable price.

You've apparently gotten away with ignoring your batteries (I don't know how long you've had your boat, so pardon the assumption if I'm wrong), but that won't serve you well in the long run. It's really time to replace them.

To me, batteries seem to be equal parts science and mystery, and a pretty dull subject overall. My attitude toward them changed when I studied MaineSail's information, because it gave me a basic understanding of them, and actually made them interesting! Once you grasp the basic concepts and update your power storage appropriately, it will add significantly to your peace of mind. If you do it right, you will likely find yourself showing off your battery installation to your dock mates.

My current boat, a Catalina 28, won't accommodate 6v's without modification, so I simply replaced the batteries the PO had installed with a matched pair of 12v batteries from Sam's Club (batteries were made by Eastern Penn). Not as good as a 6v setup, but good enough for my current needs (PUN!), and they're positioned where I can get to them easily to inspect and monitor their fluid levels.

My apologies to MaineSail for any inaccuracies.
 
Oct 3, 2011
835
Anam Cara Catalina 310 Hull #155 155 Lake Erie/Catawba Island
Jesse, I believe that I have the original CHARLES Charger, it is in the port side stern lazarette.
Thanks for the information, I have read Main's articles and I "Somewhat" understand..
I am a "PLUGGER" at this point and am off the "PLUG" for maybe 24-30 hours at most and stay with a dedicated engine battery and a house battery while off the PLUG. I have not had any problems "yet". I have been reading about the new chargers and have decided that if and when the batteries crap out that I will also get a new charger-Procharge/sterling.
The decision time is still off so I will keep hanging on. Thanks
 

rukidn

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Apr 23, 2012
160
Catalina 310 258 Sandusky, OH
Alan,

We can all compare battery compartments and chargers at the Rendezvous next weekend. I am surprised that the Charles charger could have been so gentle on your gels. Mine boiled my flooded batteries. I've replaced with a ProNautic and 6V GC's and have been quite pleased. There is a ton of information in and referenced by this forum, plus Maine Sail.
 
Nov 18, 2010
2,441
Catalina 310 Hingham, MA
Jesse, I believe that I have the original CHARLES Charger, it is in the port side stern lazarette.
Thanks for the information, I have read Main's articles and I "Somewhat" understand..
I am a "PLUGGER" at this point and am off the "PLUG" for maybe 24-30 hours at most and stay with a dedicated engine battery and a house battery while off the PLUG. I have not had any problems "yet". I have been reading about the new chargers and have decided that if and when the batteries crap out that I will also get a new charger-Procharge/sterling.
The decision time is still off so I will keep hanging on. Thanks
I am shocked that your gels are working with that charger. I would love to see a capacity test on those gels this winter.

A little confused by your statement about dedicated engine batter and a house battery. Is that just changing to battery #1 for starting and then change to battery #2 after you stop the engine and go sailing or did you or the OP change something?