Insurance Cost Reduction

RoyS

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Jun 3, 2012
1,742
Hunter 33 Steamboat Wharf, Hull, MA
I currently have a fixed value marine insurance policy. I keep my boat in a marina with a Summer slip and Winter marina yard storage. Both my boat and I are getting older and I am on a fixed income with decreasing purchase power. I am considering reducing my boat insurance coverage to just liability and any suggested environmental coverages. What might such a policy include for coverage. Is there a standard formula for such a policy? Surely I am not alone in this.
 
Jan 19, 2010
12,553
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
Your marina might have minimum requirements. Mine does. Check with them?
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,165
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
Have you discussed this with your current insurer? Or perhaps got a quote elsewhere? Not sure anyone here is going to give you a quotel
 
Dec 2, 1997
8,915
- - LIttle Rock
Unless you're accident prone, Increase your deductable. The more of the risk you're willing to assume, the less you have to pay an insurance company to cover it. Doubling a (for instance) $700 deductable can bring your premium down considerably, but only puts YOU "on the hook" for another $700 *IF* you have a claim that exceeds $1500 (which IMO is the reason we carry insurance, it's not supposed to cover every "hangnail!"). Put the premium savings amount in a piggy bank to use if you need it...you'll find it adds up quickly.

That's my $.02 worth anyway.

--Peggie
 
Jan 19, 2010
12,553
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
I like @Peggie Hall HeadMistress' advice.

Insurance is betting against yourself so.... how much risk are you willing to bet. I've only every carried liability and towing and then only the minimum required by my marina.
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
Unless you're accident prone, Increase your deductable. The more of the risk you're willing to assume, the less you have to pay an insurance company to cover it. Doubling a (for instance) $700 deductable can bring your premium down considerably, but only puts YOU "on the hook" for another $700 *IF* you have a claim that exceeds $1500 (which IMO is the reason we carry insurance, it's not supposed to cover every "hangnail!"). Put the premium savings amount in a piggy bank to use if you need it...you'll find it adds up quickly.

That's my $.02 worth anyway.

--Peggie
Yes to Peggie’s suggestion, but two other thoughts as well. Reduce your fixed value amount to maybe 80% of the boat’s market value. If the boat is deemed a total loss, ins should pay off on the agreed value, but then might sell it back to you for less. Damage coverage does not have to be “all or nothing.” Then, of course, shop insurance. That might generate a sizable premium reduction. A liability only coverage would not help repair the boat if damaged, but it would help the other guy if you caused damage. Liability only might include some personal injury protection for you. You can keep the cost down some with minimal coverage, but as noted your marina might require a certain amount.
 
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RoyS

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Jun 3, 2012
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Hunter 33 Steamboat Wharf, Hull, MA
My insurance agent is not very knowledgeable regarding marine insurance. That is why I inquired here. I am willing to risk all of my boat value but, should my boat sink, I do not want to be on the hook for environmental impact costs, boat salvage, and boat disposal costs. I had hoped that there was an available, standard marine policy that included only liability, environmental impact, salvage, and disposal. Such a policy would be useful for many old sailboats like mine with little market resale value, but still in daily use.
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
My insurance agent is not very knowledgeable regarding marine insurance. That is why I inquired here. I am willing to risk all of my boat value but, should my boat sink, I do not want to be on the hook for environmental impact costs, boat salvage, and boat disposal costs. I had hoped that there was an available, standard marine policy that included only liability, environmental impact, salvage, and disposal. Such a policy would be useful for many old sailboats like mine with little market resale value, but still in daily use.
You can probably get that. Ask State Farm.
 
Jan 19, 2010
12,553
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
I had hoped that there was an available, standard marine policy that included only liability, environmental impact, salvage, and disposal.
I have EXACTLY that plus tow insurance. I also have personal injury liability. I am using State Farm. I am living in Charleston and my agent is a big off-shore fisherman so I may be in the enviable situation of having a knowledgable agent. BUT! check with whomever you have homeowners, car etc. and see if you can bundle your boat under the same policy.
 
Jul 12, 2011
1,165
Leopard 40 Jupiter, Florida
Yes, liability-only policies are available. Marinas, storage yards, etc. only care about your liability and related environmental liability insurance. It is the only thing any of them ask for. They could not care less if your boat burns to the waterline, if you hold the other boaters and them harmless. If you are with a non-marine insurer, such as State Farm, you may consider either a marine insurance broker that will shop around multiple carriers, or a more marine company like Geico, sold through BoatUS. I had Geico/BoatUS for my monohull (they stopped covering cats) and found them responsive and affordable, so plus-one for making that call.
 
Dec 2, 1997
8,915
- - LIttle Rock
My insurance agent is not very knowledgeable regarding marine insurance.
Auto and property insurance companies like Progressive and AllState are ok for small boats, but any boat too big to keep on a trailer needs true YACHT insurance that doesn't consider boats to be floating RVs. Don't let the term "yacht" spook you into believing yacht insurance costs more...it doesn't have to and can cost you less. You don't have to be a blue water cruiser...my boats were on an inland lake (Lanier, north of Atlanta). There are a number very good yacht insurance brokers...you'll find their ads in boating magazines. They don' t work for just one insurance company... they help you choose the right one and the right coverage for YOU. No need to look for a local broker...mine was in Annapolis, and although it went through some changes after the broker Al Golden passed away from Alzheimers--it's now the marine insurance division of the Gowrie Group--I still recommend it highly! Gowrie Group - Marine Insurance Overview
I just got off the phone with a very helpful gal named Dawn, who gave me the name to ask for when you call 800-262-2301 for info: Scott Stusek. He won' try to "sell" you anything...He'll answer all your questions and ask you bunch before even recommending anything. Whether you decide to go with this broker or not, it's a good place to start your learning curve.

--Peggie
 
Apr 8, 2010
2,091
Ericson Yachts Olson 34 28400 Portland OR
What Peggy said.
:)
After our major refit Geico/BoatUS refused to raise our coverage. With some guidance from a surveyor I found a broker in Seattle that almost instantly placed us with a name-brand insurer, at an appropriate Agreed Value. Rate (per thou.) was the same or less than I had been paying that cold-blooded Lizard company.
One factor that probably helped a lot was my having a survey done before doing the insurance changeover.
 

CarlN

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Jan 4, 2009
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Ketch 55 Bristol, RI
 
Oct 6, 2007
1,119
Hunter H30 1982 Chicago IL
What Peggy said.
:)
After our major refit Geico/BoatUS refused to raise our coverage. With some guidance from a surveyor I found a broker in Seattle that almost instantly placed us with a name-brand insurer, at an appropriate Agreed Value. Rate (per thou.) was the same or less than I had been paying that cold-blooded Lizard company.
One factor that probably helped a lot was my having a survey done before doing the insurance changeover.
I had a similar experience with that company over agreed value and a very slippery “Partial Loss Depreciation“ clause. Which effectively reduces coverage on any boat more than 20 years old to a small fraction of actual repair cost for any claim less than a total constructive loss. Went to my independent broker, got a new survey, and found far better coverage for slightly less with Chubb.