Many thanks for all the previous information. I have sorted those problems now.Here is a new one for you.I have a 2003 Bavaria 36 which has a raised pad just aft of the anchor locker on deck, where I usually attach the downhaul for the spinnaker pole. Being fed up with the sagging pathetic shape of the half rolled genoa, especially beating to windward, I would like to have an inner forestay to fly a flat blade type sail. Has anybody tried this, is the pad thick enough/strong enough to support the bottom end of a forestay?? Getting at the under deck side of the raised pad seems pretty impossible as the bulkhead at the forward end of the fore cabin and the bulkhead at the aft end of the anchor well totally enclose it, I wouldn't want to destroy those to get underneath the deck pad.Any ideas?? thanks Alan