Injection Pump

Mar 9, 2012
47
Beneteau 381 PVR
Just want to throw this out there for all you diesel owners on a problem we had with our injection pump and my findings etc. I would like to know your thoughts on this.
Our M-25XPB engine has about 240 hrs on it. Recently bought our Catalina 30 and it had 35 hrs on the engine. Our boat is in Puerto Vallarta and we live in Canada. We go down 3-4 times a year but the boat sits during the summer months when it's nice up here. We had someone starting the boat once a week I told him. About 6 mths after using the boat I had issues with the pump where the slider bar on the side of the pump would lock up and the boat would quit. I loosened it up by playing with it and away we went having no problem till months later. Same thing. This past Xmas we were down and it seemed fine as we ran it over 3-4 day on and off , then it quits on us. Same thing. Bar really locked up this time. So got towed back to our slip. As no one there seemed to know much about injectors I decided to pull it out and take it apart. 3 cylinder engine and all 3 pump springs were in pieces. No parts around so brought pump back to Canada and took into an injection shop. Much research on internet and talking to individuals it was determined that moisture was the issue. I do have a Racor filter and clean fuel filters. I did track down that Universal uses the Kubota block and parts are interchangeable. I had a long talk with the injection shop and he said the motor doesn't get hot enough to burn off the moisture in short runs out of the marina then shutting off. He says they have lots of Yanmar engines used in many machines that have the same issue. Ours is the Universal but all use the Kubota block. These Kubota blocks are used in many machines. He also say he gets lawn mowing equipment that use this block have the same problems with pumps. So in talking with him I came up with this idea which he thought would be good but wanted to run it by you guys to see what you think.
Using the engine frequently should have no issues. Getting it good and hot will help. During long periods of non use as in when we leave it sit in Mexico for 6-8 months instead of having someone start it once a week which he said is probably not good as it won't get hot enough and condensation forms inside. Why not pull the valve cover ,soak the valves and top end with oil, open the side cover to the pump and spray oil on the pump area and cam below. I'm not sure what would be better. Now Mexico in the summer is very humid as a lot of you know and I'm sure there are engines sitting just as ours. We live in Canada and farmers park there equipment in the field in the fall and don't go back to it till late spring but the condensation freezes. Our pump had not severe but did have corrosion on surfaces Your thoughts??????
 

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Feb 26, 2004
23,049
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Hi, we have essentially the same engines, ours is an M25, 1986 boat bought in 98, 2900 engine hours.
I'm not sure what would be better.
Run the engine to operating temperature. Disassembly is, quite frankly, nuts. All the folks who follow with their comments will tell you to NOT run for just a few minutes or even a half hour in idle. Needs a LOAD, or, just simply leave it OFF. Preferably after running at operating temp.

Look, this is diesel mechanics 101. I broke my leg skiing in 2009, didn't get to the boat for months, many months, and didn't start the engine for six. No issues.

But I always run it up to temp when I use it.

Good luck, KISS. :)
 
May 24, 2004
7,174
CC 30 South Florida
It is a known issue that water in the fuel can jam the injector pump. Periodically check the seal on the fuel cap as rain water can overwhelm the water separator and deliver an excessive amount of water in the fuel. Water is a poor lubricant and causes scarring in the cylinder. It can be unstuck but if it happens repeatedly the fix is to replace the pump. Yanmar will sell you the parts but their shops will not rebuild pumps as they find that they cannot guarantee the results.
 
Nov 6, 2006
10,095
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
The plunger springs should be protected by the motor oil.. they should mostly see motor oil not diesel (maybe a smidge of diesel).. if you're not using a premium oil made for diesel engines from one of the major oil guys (Shell, Esso, Chevron) , I'd start there.. I would not recommend starting the engine while you are gone.. I've seen engines sit for a couple of years here in south Louisiana on the coast and start right up.. Our humidity and heat is similar to the tropics. If you are worried about keeping the batteries charged, a small solar charger/maintainer could do that ..
EDIT: Note that the delivery valve springs which are immersed in diesel are fine.. As Stu says, that last run into the marina before you leave should be loaded and 30 minutes-ish to get everything hot enough ..
EDIT: Might be in order to check the engine thermostat to make sure that the engine can get to operating temperature..
 
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Mar 9, 2012
47
Beneteau 381 PVR
Using good oil for diesels and water getting in fuel cap is not an issue. Our fill is inside. Just a small tank. Racor 500 water separator . Yes I get it warmed up and usually run it for 1 to 2 hrs before shutting down which includes warm up, getting out of marina , then heading out a bit before putting sails up. I'm trying to remember what temp I usually run at. I'll have to check when I get back down. This could of happened prior top us taking over the boat. Owner had passed away. Wife never came back to boat. Mexican had looked after boat for 4 years. Then we bought it's. Motor had 35 hrs on it when we got it. Being only there every so often had another fellow run it while we were away. I told him to run it at least once a week. Who know what he did. May had started it, let it run for 5 or 10 min then shut it down figuring starts fine. I did have issues last year with it but never had pump off. Kloudie1 you can of hit it on the head when you say your in same environment and have left it off. Makes sense to me.. I Know there are probably tons of boats sitting for long periods with no issues so I can of think it was the lack of starting and not heating up. Possibly damage was done long ago. Also we do have solar and batteries issues aren't a problem.
 
Jan 25, 2011
2,437
S2 11.0A Anacortes, WA
You can pull the dock until up to temp...But it has to get to temp..if I go months without running engine, I just pull the fuel shutoff and crank several times until I get oil pressure. Gets everything coated and no combustion products..
 
Mar 9, 2012
47
Beneteau 381 PVR
So consensus here is it's fine to leave without running for a few months. Now during the summer when we are back up in Canada the boat will sit for maybe 5-6 mths. Don't forget the humid environment.