in-cabin electric bilge pump question

xavpil

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Sep 6, 2022
376
Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 419 Milwaukee
Hi friends
1980 cat27 with a 950GPH electric bilge pump.
The pump's OUT hose goes up all the way to the lazarette where it is connected to a thru hull.
Every time the pump stops, water naturally comes back down - gravity.
Is it connected the right way?
 
Jan 11, 2014
13,001
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
Probably.

The bilge pump is probably a centrifugal pump. These pumps have vane that spins and pushes the water up and out the hose. So long as there is water, the pump works great. However, these pumps don't pump air. When the float switch bottoms out, the pump stops and any water in the hose flows back down into the bilge. There is not good cure for this characteristic, save keeping the hose run short. If a little water in the bilge is an issue use a sponge to dry up the residual water.

A diaphragm pump will suck and push water and air. These pumps do not have the back flow issue.

Also read the specs for the pump carefully. The pump will pump 950 gph if there is no head and if the it supplied with charging voltage, i.e, about 14v. In real life the out put is much lower. It is all marketing.
 

xavpil

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Sep 6, 2022
376
Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 419 Milwaukee
Probably.

The bilge pump is probably a centrifugal pump. These pumps have vane that spins and pushes the water up and out the hose. So long as there is water, the pump works great. However, these pumps don't pump air. When the float switch bottoms out, the pump stops and any water in the hose flows back down into the bilge. There is not good cure for this characteristic, save keeping the hose run short. If a little water in the bilge is an issue use a sponge to dry up the residual water.

A diaphragm pump will suck and push water and air. These pumps do not have the back flow issue.

Also read the specs for the pump carefully. The pump will pump 950 gph if there is no head and if the it supplied with charging voltage, i.e, about 14v. In real life the out put is much lower. It is all marketing.
It makes total sense.
You answered my question
Thx!
 
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Mar 26, 2011
3,730
Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
Probably.

The bilge pump is probably a centrifugal pump. These pumps have vane that spins and pushes the water up and out the hose. So long as there is water, the pump works great. However, these pumps don't pump air. When the float switch bottoms out, the pump stops and any water in the hose flows back down into the bilge. There is not good cure for this characteristic, save keeping the hose run short. If a little water in the bilge is an issue use a sponge to dry up the residual water.

A diaphragm pump will suck and push water and air. These pumps do not have the back flow issue.

Also read the specs for the pump carefully. The pump will pump 950 gph if there is no head and if the it supplied with charging voltage, i.e, about 14v. In real life the out put is much lower. It is all marketing.
Two answers.

A check valve, which will reduce flow a little and can clog. Also, if the boat is left in the water in cold weather, a check valve can lead to freezing, followed by sinking (the check valve prevents the line from clearing, allowing the line to freeze between cycles, which can be hours or days).

Not that diaphragm pumps have integral check valves and all of the weaknesses associated with them.

Run the hose up as high as possible as soon as possible, and then down hill to the thru-hull. This will reduce the flow back.

I'm not sure if advertising pumps at zero discharge head is bad marketing or weak (which is understandable) consumer understanding. They should put the pump output curve on the box, although I'm not sure people would understand the effects of plumbing or what discharge head means.
 
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Dil

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Jul 13, 2020
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Hunter 30T Neptune
or even basic head pressure, when they were describing how a pump if the hose is to long can creat a situation where the pump stops but back surge keeps an unending loop of the pump running, add a back flow preventer at the out put of the pump no more back flow
 
Jan 11, 2014
13,001
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
or even basic head pressure, when they were describing how a pump if the hose is to long can creat a situation where the pump stops but back surge keeps an unending loop of the pump running, add a back flow preventer at the out put of the pump no more back flow
Check valves are problematic in that they can jam open which doesn't stop the cycling or they jam closed which prevents them from pumping.

A better solution is to have the bilge switch above the water level that is produced by the back flow. This of course means there will be residual water in the bilge which can be remediated by a sponge or a shop vac.
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,457
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
or even basic head pressure, when they were describing how a pump if the hose is to long can creat a situation where the pump stops but back surge keeps an unending loop of the pump running, add a back flow preventer at the out put of the pump no more back flow
The consensus on check valves which is also called a back flow preventer is clear - don’t!

the minor inconvenience of some water flowing back is easily prevented simply by installing a loop to stop the flow or manually removing any residual water rather than risk a clogged or broken valve in the bilge pump line which can ‘ruin your day‘.
 
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Jan 12, 2016
272
Hunter 410 Ladysmith, BC
We added a second pump with a hose and a check valve that we use to vacuum the bilge drip dry, and then leave the primary bilge pump without a check valve as I wouldn't want to risk it plugging. The primary bilge pump is on a float switch, the other with the hose/check valve is manual on off only.