Idle Adjustment Screw - Universal M35B

Apr 25, 2024
363
Fuji 32 Bellingham
OK, my Universal M35B idles fast. It should be 800-1000 RPM and it is at 1270 (verified with strobe and matches tachometer, more or less).

Not a problem. I break out the technical manual and locate the idle adjustment screw:

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From the text and the drawing, does it not seem like the circled screw should be the idle adjustment screw?

I thought so.

So, I loosened the screw. No effect. I tightened. No effect.

Finally, I stuck my camera in there so I could get a better look. Definitely not the idle adjustment.

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The arrow points to another adjustment screw that is not at all brought to one's attention in the drawing (though it is present). The throttle arm actually rests on that screw making it suspiciously like an idle adjustment screw.

Super! Now all I needed to do is loosen the locknut and slip a screwdriver in there. Well, happily some previous owner had already loosened that nut and left it spinning freely. That was good because I have no idea how I could get a wrench in there. Bare in mind, this picture makes it look pretty accessible, but I cannot see any of this. There is just enough room to slip my arm in there and move around a little bit.

And, although I can kind of feel the slot on the end of the screw, there is no way to get a screwdriver in there. With some contortions, I managed to put a screwdriver bit into a tiny socket wrench and get it in there. One of the sides of the screw slot promptly fell off, leaving me with this:

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... a corroded stump and no way to remove it that I have figured out, yet.

Removing the throttle arm helps a little bit, but not enough. I tried to get a pair of vice grips in there to grab and turn it, but there just isn't enough room.

There must be some magic tool that will let me grab onto that screw in that confined space.
 

dLj

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Mar 23, 2017
4,264
Belliure 41 Back in the Chesapeake
From this and other threads you've posted on your engine, seems more and more like scheduling an engine removal and refurb is raising its ugly head and beginning to scream....

If you can't get vise grips in there to grab it, I don't know of any other tool to turn that screw. Since it's already broken, can you get a file into the other side and file it down to lower your idle speed?

dj
 
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Apr 25, 2024
363
Fuji 32 Bellingham
From this and other threads you've posted on your engine, seems more and more like scheduling an engine removal and refurb is raising its ugly head
It's kind like death from 1000 cuts. The engine is low-hours and actually runs great. So, I hate to pull it. But I am accumulating a bunch of little tiny reasons it would be nice to do so.

Since it's already broken, can you get a file into the other side and file it down to lower your idle speed?
I can actually get my Dremel flexible shaft in there and still have a little bit of visibility to see what I'm doing. I put a wire wheel on the rusty end to knock off some of that crust. Even just knocking off the little crusty tip dropped the RPM a tad.

Feels wrong, but I might see if I can get a cutoff wheel to knock off a 1/2 mm at a time.

When I've had my tea, I'm going to evaluate if I think I can remove some more things to just get vice grips on there.
 

dLj

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Mar 23, 2017
4,264
Belliure 41 Back in the Chesapeake
It's kind like death from 1000 cuts. The engine is low-hours and actually runs great. So, I hate to pull it. But I am accumulating a bunch of little tiny reasons it would be nice to do so.



I can actually get my Dremel flexible shaft in there and still have a little bit of visibility to see what I'm doing. I put a wire wheel on the rusty end to knock off some of that crust. Even just knocking off the little crusty tip dropped the RPM a tad.

Feels wrong, but I might see if I can get a cutoff wheel to knock off a 1/2 mm at a time.

When I've had my tea, I'm going to evaluate if I think I can remove some more things to just get vice grips on there.
I won't be surprised you break the screw... But your choice...

dj
 
Feb 26, 2004
22,986
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
All that screw does is make a "stop" to low idle. You can do the same thing with the throttle, just don't back it off all the way. It's simple and won't require pulling the engine. Not worth making a mountain out of a molehill.
 
Jan 7, 2011
5,462
Oday 322 East Chicago, IN
Is the head on the top or bottom of that screw? Which end broke off? Or is that the lock nut on the bottom?



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Apr 25, 2024
363
Fuji 32 Bellingham
All that screw does is make a "stop" to low idle. You can do the same thing with the throttle, just don't back it off all the way. It's simple and won't require pulling the engine. Not worth making a mountain out of a molehill.
Wrong way. It was idling high. Can't go any lower than zero throttle.
 
Apr 25, 2024
363
Fuji 32 Bellingham
Is the head on the top or bottom of that screw? Which end broke off? Or is that the lock nut on the bottom?
That's the lock nut on the bottom. The throttle arm nubbins rests on the top of the screw. The picture shows the engine at idle.
 
Apr 25, 2024
363
Fuji 32 Bellingham
Hoozah! I did some research and came across the suggestion to try Vampliers. Seems like I used to have a pair, but not with me on the boat. Just to see what I could do, I walked up the marine supply store. No Vampliers, but they had a little 5" vice grip. There was JUST enough room to get them in there and give it a turn. Having soaked overnight in solvent, it moved pretty easily once I broke it free.

Purrs like a kitten, now.

The main problem with the high idle was that it was frequently slow to go into gear, which made marina maneuvering sometimes more interesting than I prefer. I anticipate that will be fine, now.

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Jan 7, 2011
5,462
Oday 322 East Chicago, IN
Perseverance pays off! Nicely done.

Do you plan to replace the screw?

Greg
 

dLj

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Mar 23, 2017
4,264
Belliure 41 Back in the Chesapeake
Now that's a nice end result! Don't forget to lock it down with that nut ;)

dj
 
Apr 25, 2024
363
Fuji 32 Bellingham
Yeah, I ordered a new screw last night. Now I know I can get the old one out. This has been a thorn in my side since I bought the boat.

Slowly chipping away at a long list of tiny things that are never tiny.
 

colemj

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Jul 13, 2004
478
Dolphin Catamaran Dolphin 460 Mystic, CT
Glad you got it sorted. The schematic you posted does show the idle screw - but the perspective makes it look oddly placed.

Mark