i need some handholding I guess....

[emergpa1]

ok guys, i think i am just a tired and sleep deprived shift worker,but i have spent most of my day off looking over the internet and calling not so helpful service departments. I have accomplished the following....
1. Planted a weeping cherry tree in the front yard and and a plum tree in the back yard
2. pulled my back a little because i don't exercise like i should
3. tried to take a nap but couldn't
4. took my daughter to the storage room to get summer cloths. yeah she is 24 but she is back home because her husband is in afghanistan. (but she is a lot of fun)
5. finally able to locate and order the proper fuel line assembly for my nissan outboard just because of a bad 2 cent o ring that goes in the female fitting of the fuel line that no one in the world carries without ordering the whole dang line assembly.
6. Ate a cold sausage and buttermilk biscuit for lunch because who wants to live until senility sets in anyway.
After several hours of wasted effort as stated above i am Unable to accomplish the following:
1. Find out what backstay adjustment fits my oday that is less than a thousand dollars.
2. what kind of knot meter can i mount on my boat that will fit onto the propeller that already is already mounted (see pic on left). I looked at moor gauges online but am unable to find any mounting instructions.
3. what depth gauge would mount on the sensor i already have...pic in the middle.
4. and maybe most important, do i order a the 12oo dollar main from northsail, the 8oo dollar main from northsail, or the 999 mainsail from neil sails aka sailboat owners.com folks...what i am asking is what is the difference.
thanks for your wisdom and insight
keith
P.S. what i want for christmas, is to be able to take my boat to joe, the captain of trinka, and first mate of penelope, so he can teach me how to be a sailor cuz i am never gonna know half of what he knows if i live to be a hundred and twenty nine

 

[Dave Groshong]

Hi EmergPa1, just to keep our sail lofts good name, our Sails here at SailboatOwners.com are built in the USA by a Doyle loft, $898. That biscuit sounds good!

http://shop.odayowners.com/detail-sails.htm

 

[emergpa1]

thanks dave, i apoligize for the name mix up, could you give a more detailed comparison. i have already talked to both sail reps by phone, but not as relates to details of sails.'
keith

 

[RichBone]

Sounds like you've got a full plate. Ya gotta save some room for dessert man.

'1. Find out what backstay adjustment fits my oday that is less than a thousand dollars.'

A thousand dollar backstay adjustment??

Price difference in main sails could also involve options. Extra reef, short or full length battens, weight of sail cloth etc. $898 is a great price from SBO. Less than what I paid at my local Doyle loft.

Rich

 

[emergpa1]

Sounds like you've got a full plate. Ya gotta save some room for dessert man.

'1. Find out what backstay adjustment fits my oday that is less than a thousand dollars.'

A thousand dollar backstay adjustment??

Price difference in main sails could also involve options. Extra reef, short or full length battens, weight of sail cloth etc. $898 is a great price from SBO. Less than what I paid at my local Doyle loft.

Rich

I think I was finding some sort of hydraulic thing with a torque meter on it

 

[emergpa1]

does anyone have a backstay adjustor on their 22, 23, 25, 0r 26. is it split? if so for what purpose and how did you do it?

also, joe, could you show a close up picture of the hardwar u use on your removable companionway step that you have shown in your mods. I am trying to figure out what you used there.

thanks
keith

 

[RichBone]

IMHO the O'day 25/26 rig is too light and not suited for a backstay adjuster. Just wondering Keith, what are you looking to accomplish?

Rich

 

[Joe11688]

does anyone have a backstay adjustor on their 22, 23, 25, 0r 26. is it split? if so for what purpose and how did you do it?

also, joe, could you show a close up picture of the hardwar u use on your removable companionway step that you have shown in your mods. I am trying to figure out what you used there.

thanks
keith

Hi Keith,
I'll take some pics of it today for you. I'm planning on putting my mast step back on today and I'll be in and out of my boat for most of the day.

I bought two long threaded "dogs", or hold downs many years ago from where, I do not remember.
When I built this up, I used cheap pine to mock it up and I used a trial and error approach to accomplish what I needed to do. While I was trying to come up with a design for this detachable step, I tried to accomplish two important factors; I wanted it to be safe and strong and still look presentable. I didn't want anyone stepping on this step and have it slide out from under them, so after I removed the step I drew a design that I wanted on a block of Teak that would fit into the two fiberglass step mounts. I made two of them and screwed them to the bottom of the step. Then I placed the step on the mounts and traced the shape of the blocks on to the top of these mounts and cut the holes for the blocks to fit into the fiberglass. Then I used pine to mock up the small pieces of wood that will give the step a wider surface underneath it for solid stability. I used a carpenter's bevel to get the angles needed. Once I got the design the way I wanted it, I used the pine as a pattern to make an exact copy out of Teak.
The area behind my step was designed for a cooler. Small coolers can be inserted into that area,from over that step, but not so a 48 quart cooler.

In order to get my 48 quart cooler in there I had to remove the Starboard quarter birth mattress and slide the cooler in side ways behind that step which was a total PITA.

I removed the step one day and discovered that I could get my 48 quart cooler over those mounts without having to mess with a mattress. Today I'm able to get a 50 quart Coleman Extreme cooler into that area from over those mounts.
Necessity is the mother of invention, I guess.
Believe me, I've done some mods to my boat that turned out to be ca-ca but I can honestly say that this mod was a success!

 

[Joe11688]

Ahoy there, Keith!
I'm in the same boat you're in. I'm still a neophyte and I'm learning all the time. We're all going through the school of hard knocks whether we're willing to admit it or not.
Last year I hit a red buoy on the river. I should know better because my friend Walter hit that same nun several years ago with his Mac 26 and put a hole in his bow. I think that's what caused the bung in my Teak cap rail to pop off leaving the screw exposed and causing the leak that I just fixed the other day.
Lessons learned: buoys are like magnets and autopilots are great, but they can't take the place of a First Mate with sharp eyes.
Anyway, it could have been worse. I could have been sitting on the head instead of washing my dishes at the time of that loud bang that shook my boat, when my bow hit that buoy.

Keith,
I would address the priorities like getting a new Mainsail. The other stuff can be acquired gradually as the deals come your way.
I hope your back gets better.
Regards,
Joe

 

[Shoaldrafter]

Keith, have some moonshine...

Ahoy there, Keith!
I'm in the same boat you're in. I'm still a neophyte and I'm learning all the time. We're all going through the school of hard knocks whether we're willing to admit it or not.
Last year I hit a red buoy on the river. I should know better because my friend Walter hit that same nun several years ago with his Mac 26 and put a hole in his bow. I think that's what caused the bung in my Teak cap rail to pop off leaving the screw exposed and causing the leak that I just fixed the other day.
Lessons learned: buoys are like magnets and autopilots are great, but they can't take the place of a First Mate with sharp eyes.
Anyway, it could have been worse. I could have been sitting on the head instead of washing my dishes at the time of that loud bang that shook my boat, when my bow hit that buoy.

Keith,
I would address the priorities like getting a new Mainsail. The other stuff can be acquired gradually as the deals come your way.
I hope your back gets better.
Regards,
Joe

Keith,

Your thread is quite confusing. O Rings usually can be had locally at a detailed plumbing supply. I have a three page picture chart from Ken Mar Plumbing Specialties here locally that is real good. If you need copy, I can scan and send direct, it would be to big to get thru this site.

If you need more detail O ring then get calipers and get detailed measurements. Always get two in case you brake one putting on. O rings can be had in any size and a variety of materials for diffenent uses. Metric sizes can be had. And the funny part is they are cheap!

Sails? Why do you need new sails? I use Sail Care and their process not only cleans but reimpregnates with resin and they stitch and fix holes, hardware, etc.

Unfortunately you are getting into their busy season and it could take two months to recondition? Give Jerry a call on lead time. I have used local lofts and Sail Care. While Sail Care may charge more the quality difference is worth it.

If you want the best sails on block, Mack Sails in Florida is currently said to be the best. Doyle has a great deal of different qualities and while they say their lofts are local, they do send their work to the Bahamas and back and forth. I would want to see the floor manager of where mine would be made.

I would not consider price alone if you do get a new sail. And the bigger lofts often are bidding out the work. When that happens, quality disappears.

Remember you get what you pay for. I would choose someone with a known reputation and who would invite you to see their loft floor where they lay out the materials to be cut and finished sails. May costs you twice as much, but you will be more than twice as happy.

Know anyone wanting a O'Day 26? I now have a 28 blue water boat. It is not trailerable. It is a small Norwegian not much different from Ligh II of Vito Dumas fame. If your man wins reelection, I will sail away.

Ed K
Addendum:

“Ambition keeps altering the human condition, not always for the best, yet on the whole, for good rather than ill. In every field, those who make things happen are propelled by some powerful desire to change their worlds and their own destinies in the process.” James Champy

 

[emergpa1]

IMHO the O'day 25/26 rig is too light and not suited for a backstay adjuster. Just wondering Keith, what are you looking to accomplish?

Rich

Not much really rich, just some of the guys at the club say that when I point into the wind I need to tilt the mast aft a little. One thing I would like to do is see if I can decrease weather helm. I think when I repaired the deck at the mast I ended up tilting the mast forward some due not being able to accurately duplicat the original curvature.

 

[emergpa1]

Ahoy there, Keith!
I'm in the same boat you're in. I'm still a neophyte and I'm learning all the time. We're all going through the school of hard knocks whether we're willing to admit it or not.
Last year I hit a red buoy on the river. I should know better because my friend Walter hit that same nun several years ago with his Mac 26 and put a hole in his bow. I think that's what caused the bung in my Teak cap rail to pop off leaving the screw exposed and causing the leak that I just fixed the other day.
Lessons learned: buoys are like magnets and autopilots are great, but they can't take the place of a First Mate with sharp eyes.
Anyway, it could have been worse. I could have been sitting on the head instead of washing my dishes at the time of that loud bang that shook my boat, when my bow hit that buoy.

Keith,
I would address the priorities like getting a new Mainsail. The other stuff can be acquired gradually as the deals come your way.
I hope your back gets better.
Regards,
Joe

Hi Joe,
I wrote a long reply to the pix u posted re: the removable step but when I hit send it got lost in space! But to summarize, Thanks!

I like your idea of focusing on a main right now. I believe I am going to talk again to north sail and give the folks in Florida Ed recommended a call..

Speaking of Fla., I and family are staying at Tyndall AFB this weekend (where my son is stationed) to see the thunderbirds, and of course the F-22 demo. Man the water sure looks great. Whenever I am working on the boat my ultimate goal is to make her and me seaworthy enough to cruise these waters along the western coast of Fla.

 

[emergpa1]

Keith,

Your thread is quite confusing. O Rings usually can be had locally at a detailed plumbing supply. I have a three page picture chart from Ken Mar Plumbing Specialties here locally that is real good. If you need copy, I can scan and send direct, it would be to big to get thru this site.

If you need more detail O ring then get calipers and get detailed measurements. Always get two in case you brake one putting on. O rings can be had in any size and a variety of materials for diffenent uses. Metric sizes can be had. And the funny part is they are cheap!

Sails? Why do you need new sails? I use Sail Care and their process not only cleans but reimpregnates with resin and they stitch and fix holes, hardware, etc.

Unfortunately you are getting into their busy season and it could take two months to recondition? Give Jerry a call on lead time. I have used local lofts and Sail Care. While Sail Care may charge more the quality difference is worth it.

If you want the best sails on block, Mack Sails in Florida is currently said to be the best. Doyle has a great deal of different qualities and while they say their lofts are local, they do send their work to the Bahamas and back and forth. I would want to see the floor manager of where mine would be made.

I would not consider price alone if you do get a new sail. And the bigger lofts often are bidding out the work. When that happens, quality disappears.

Remember you get what you pay for. I would choose someone with a known reputation and who would invite you to see their loft floor where they lay out the materials to be cut and finished sails. May costs you twice as much, but you will be more than twice as happy.

Know anyone wanting a O'Day 26? I now have a 28 blue water boat. It is not trailerable. It is a small Norwegian not much different from Ligh II of Vito Dumas fame. If your man wins reelection, I will sail away.

Ed K
Addendum:

“Ambition keeps altering the human condition, not always for the best, yet on the whole, for good rather than ill. In every field, those who make things happen are propelled by some powerful desire to change their worlds and their own destinies in the process.” James Champy

Congrats on the new boat Ed! Thanks for the info
Keith

 

[Joe11688]

Hi Joe, Hi Keith!
I wrote a long reply to the pix u posted re: the removable step but when I hit send it got lost in space! That has happened to me more than once. It's always a good idea to copy the text before you hit enter. Then if something goes wrong, you'll have it. But to summarize, Thanks! It was my pleasure!

I like your idea of focusing on a main right now. I believe I am going to talk again to north sail and give the folks in Florida Ed recommended a call..Don't be afraid to haggle with the guy. They're all hurting for business in this poor economy and they can come down in price. You need to know exactly what you want in the sail. For instance: Loose foot or sail slides on the foot and luff, Cunningham grommet, reefing points, full batten or regular batten, O'Day insignias, metal head board, and a leech line control.

Speaking of Fla., I and family are staying at Tyndall AFB this weekend (where my son is stationed) to see the thunderbirds, and of course the F-22 demo. That sounds like a great time. I went to one of those years ago at an air force base up here and we had a great time. Also, the food in the air force mess halls is the best. I was a "dog face" at Fort Dix NJ back in the 1960s and I know. Man the water sure looks great. Whenever I am working on the boat my ultimate goal is to make her and me seaworthy enough to cruise these waters along the western coast of Fla. and you will some day soon. Have a great time!

Joe

 

[RichBone]

Tilting the mast aft would give you more weather helm.
Is it possible that when you repaired the mast step you positioned it a little more or aft?
Or maybe the tabernacle was turned 180 degrees. The bolt holes in it are a little closer to one end than the other. This could affect the balance of the helm. Condition of the sails might also affect handling.
I don't think the curvature of the cabin top would matter that much since there is a slight amount of play in the tabernacle and the stays would position the masthead in the right spot anyhow. The mast is pretty stiff and shouldn't bend all that easy.

Rich

 

[RichBone]

Ed, is the attached thumbnail the lines of your boat?


Rich

 

[emergpa1]

Tilting the mast aft would give you more weather helm.
Is it possible that when you repaired the mast step you positioned it a little more or aft?
Or maybe the tabernacle was turned 180 degrees. The bolt holes in it are a little closer to one end than the other. This could affect the balance of the helm. Condition of the sails might also affect handling.
I don't think the curvature of the cabin top would matter that much since there is a slight amount of play in the tabernacle and the stays would position the masthead in the right spot anyhow. The mast is pretty stiff and shouldn't bend all that easy.

Rich

Good points rich. I think the problem may be the condition of my sails and the skill of the sailor

 

[Shoaldrafter]

Rich, thumbnails...

Ed, is the attached thumbnail the lines of your boat?


Rich

Rich,

No they are not mine. None of mine exists. The guy who designed and build it claims even he does not have plans. He retired years ago and did not keep a copy. Also, each of his boats was custom made, and no two were exactly alike. Hulls were the same, decks came from same molds but what went on varied. Interiors were to that customers request made from hand sketches.

The lines are from a famous boat: "Eric" My lines are similar but not exact and some differences from Eric which was wood.

See: http://www.atkinboatplans.com/

Many other boat designers used this design or its forebearers as the basis for many boat designs. Originally they were in wood and then evolved into FRP and steel.

For an interesting read about the basic design see:

http://www.rodlawson.com/oceans/history.html

And of course do not forget Vito Dumas.

Ed K

 

[RichBone]

Re: Rich, thumbnails...

What's the hull made of?

Rich

 

[RichBone]

Keith, was there any bend in the mast last season?
I'm thinking that the tabernacle should be in the proper location because you had the holes on the inside as a guide.
This photo shows my tabernacle. Forward is down aft is up. The bolt are farther forward on the forward end. The difference is slight could alter the balance. Anyhow, this is how mine was installed and PRONTO balanced pretty well with a little weather helm.

I've got some reconstruction on my mast step this spring. More about that later.

Rich