Hunter 430 Forward Waste Tank Drawing

Oct 10, 2008
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Hunter 430 Delin Moorage Tacoma
Looking for the technical drawing for the forward holding tank on a 1995 H430. The original tank on our new to us is very near the end of it's life and I'm looking to replace it. I've left messages at Marlow-Hunter, sent e-mails to the warranty section where they promise to respond and have yet to hear from them. Any one have the drawing available so I can have one constructed? I have posted the drawing for the port / aft tank if any one needs it.
 

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Dec 14, 2011
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Navicula 430 Hunter Toronto
Looking for the technical drawing for the forward holding tank on a 1995 H430. The original tank on our new to us is very near the end of it's life and I'm looking to replace it. I've left messages at Marlow-Hunter, sent e-mails to the warranty section where they promise to respond and have yet to hear from them. Any one have the drawing available so I can have one constructed? I have posted the drawing for the port / aft tank if any one needs it.
even if you get the drawing....how do you plan on getting it into the boat???...I hardly think it would fit through the door??
 
Dec 14, 2011
316
Navicula 430 Hunter Toronto
is it leaking???... have you cut an inspection port on the top to look inside (after you clean it of course)....what is the issue....the reason I ask is that I have fixed two for my tanks with success for about 3 years so far
 
Oct 10, 2008
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Hunter 430 Delin Moorage Tacoma
Yes it has corrosion pin holes so were not using it at this time. I need the drawing to see if I can make it fit into the forward cabin, otherwise I'll need to design a different system. The aft tank is still usable but near the end of it's life span, Triple M plastics had the drawing for that one and it should just drop into place once the old one is removed. Were also changing the heads to a fresh water flush and replacing all the hoses and macerator pumps.
 
Dec 14, 2011
316
Navicula 430 Hunter Toronto
a few years ago I had the same problem.....I cut a hole in the top and bought the west system epoxy and the fiber filler....I coated the inside of the tank with about 3 coats........that was 4 years ago and all is fine..........................just saying
 
Nov 1, 2007
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-Hunter -430 Shediac, N.B.
I change the aft waste tank 2 years ago and had to cut the old one as it would not come out. If you take a close look at it is wedge underneath the fiberglass. First glance it look like it come out easy. Mine had to be cut in two piece and had Triple M to make the new one accordingly. Did the same thing as your planning install a fresh water head and all new hoses. Hope this help.
Jean Guy
 
Oct 10, 2008
8
Hunter 430 Delin Moorage Tacoma
Thank you to Lawerence at Speciality Yachts in Vancouver BC, the Marlow-Hunter dealer for Washington state they were able to contact the factory to get a copy of the tech drawing for forward tank, Triple M plastics is constructing a new tanks as I write this. Expect it to arrive soon, then we will find out how hard it is to replace. Had to cut some of the floor support to get the old Aft tank out and the new one in. Will post some pics when it's all said and done.
attached is the drawing for the forward tank.
 

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Nov 1, 2011
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Hunter 430 Mooloolaba
Have you considered removing it altogether and investing in a saniloo? All that extra space. That's my plan when the time comes. The cost is comparable.
 

JamesG161

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Feb 14, 2014
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Hunter 430 Waveland, MS
Yes it has corrosion pin holes so were not using it at this time. I need the drawing to see if I can make it fit into the forward cabin, otherwise I'll need to design a different system. The aft tank is still usable but near the end of it's life span, Triple M plastics had the drawing for that one and it should just drop into place once the old one is removed. Were also changing the heads to a fresh water flush and replacing all the hoses and macerator pumps.
Although it is a PITA, it can fit through you companion way and forward passage. That is one of the Hunter's features and good design, that so far everything I have found on my 430 is accessible.
Keep us informed. Please.
Jim...

PS: Nothing comes out as easy as it went in. Remember paneling, cabinets are removable too.
 
Oct 10, 2008
8
Hunter 430 Delin Moorage Tacoma
I replaced the forward tank obtained from Triple M Plastics (800) 873-7767 a week ago, good thing as there were several dozen holes, much larger than a pin, more the size of an eraser, that had rotted through the tank on the side facing the hull where they are invisible. Fortunately, because of my instance, we had not used the forward head/tank since we purchased the boat 7 months ago so the waste fluid was not spilling out. After removing the front access panel (see below) I discovered why we were unable to get anything out of the tank even though there was, let's use the term gunk, left in the lower third. The hose from the tank to the through hull pump out had collapsed so we were unable to use the deck through hull to empty the tank. Instead I removed the hose leading from the tank to the macerator after it was unbolted from the wall separating the forward cabin from the head and was able to suck out most of the gunk left in the tank with the pump out hose run through the hatch above the berth.

Once the tank was empty (mostly), remove all the bedding, drawers, lots of screws holding the front panel to the bed frame where the access plate is (there are two in the forward salon to cabin wall by the end of the settee), screws holding the trim pieces in place securing the front panel, screws holding the plywood bed base to the front panel. The front panel should now be loose and can be wiggled downward and forward and removed. Now remove the screws holding the drawer boxes (they are in the pieces of wood that the three access hatches sit on, remove the drawer box (all 3 are in one box), the wood divider between the two tanks has to come out after the trim pieces securing the bed base ply are removed so it can be raised enough to get out the divider (I had to trim this piece slightly to get it back once the new tank was in place).

The screws holding the tank to the hull can now be removed, be careful as they can strip easily (don't ask how I know). Disconnect all the hoses and the tank will lift out watch that any corroded holes in the tank don't allow any remaining waste left in there to spill. The tank is now loose but will not fit through the door unless the salon to forward cabin door and frame are removed, in retrospect I should have remove those first. Save the rubber insulating strips between the tank and hull to use with the new tank and clean everything very, very well.

Installation is the reverse of removal but I would recommend to take the extra time and expense now to replace all the hoses from the head to the tank, macerator and through hulls. Check the operation of the macerator before reassembly, it's a real good time to replace it as well especially if it's original, ours was seized and would not work. I used Sealand Sanitation hose to insure another 20 years of low odor operation. It’s expensive but the admiral will thank you. We also replaced the forward head with a Raritan fresh water head from Defender Industries #(502594 RARI FRESH HEAD - COMPACT BOWL) it fit perfectly in the place of the original, hooks to the fresh water supply by T-ing into the sink with no danger of contamination because of the vacuum break incorporated in the design.

Once all hoses are installed and tightened with double clamps (use new ones, they are cheap insurance) fill the tank and check for leaks. No leaks? Good, now reassemble all the pieces, you did remember what went where don’t you? Again don’t ask.

Sorry there are not any pics to share, as I promised above, my phone decided to go for a tumble before I saved them and all the images were lost. This was a two day adventure but a lot of time was spent figuring out where the screws that held things together were, making several trips to WM and Lowes for supplies, installing the new head, looking for mislaid tools, finding that darn heat gun used to soften the hose, removing everything from the work area would also speed things up, it probably could be done in a single day if everything is on hand and the deck is clear.
 
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JamesG161

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Feb 14, 2014
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Hunter 430 Waveland, MS
Thanks so much for the details. I avoid harsh chemical in all my Aluminum tanks. Sea water, peroxide, good smelly stuff, etc. I have very little bleach on board now.

I am curious if the majority of the "pin holes" were in the weld areas (edges). Were there any in the sheet metal walls?
Jim...
 
Oct 10, 2008
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Hunter 430 Delin Moorage Tacoma
The welds were all intact all the holes were in the tank wall against the hull where they are not visible.
 

JamesG161

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Feb 14, 2014
7,815
Hunter 430 Waveland, MS
The welds were all intact all the holes were in the tank wall against the hull where they are not visible.
That teaches me to flush flush flush the tank every year so no "gunk" is against the wall of the tank to corrode.
Aluminum is very "anti-Corrossion" if exposed to Air every so often. However if the gunk is gone septic, it can produce Sulfurous Acid and oops!
Thanks again for such a clear feed back.
Jim...
 
Dec 2, 1997
8,966
- - LIttle Rock
I am curious if the majority of the "pin holes" were in the weld areas (edges). Were there any in the sheet metal walls?
I can guarantee you that at least 99% of the pinholes were in the sheet metal.

The average lifespan of an aluminum water tank is about 20 years. If you carry water from a municipal water supply, there's no way to avoid miniscule amounts of chlorine in it...and it's the cumulative effect of those miniscule amounts that degrade the metal; an annual or semi-annual recommissioning using bleach has negligible impact...might shorten the tank's lifespan by a month or two. Filtering treated water as you fill the tank results in water that goes "funky" very quickly, requiring recommissioning or some kind of "treatment" that doesn't help much, so you don't gain anything by doing that

The average lifespan of ANY metal waste tank, even 316 stainless, is much shorter because urine is so corrosive. Whether toilet uses salt or fresh water water makes no difference. A metal waste tank will typically start to leak at a weld--a seam or fitting--within about 5 years...and urine will turn it into a colander within about 10 years. Metal waste tanks lined with an epoxy coating may last a couple of years longer, but the only metal waste tanks that are significantly older than 10 years are tanks that weren't used for years after the boat was built--not unusual for boats built in the early-mid '80s because most states didn't start enforcing marine sanitation laws until the late '80s, some not even until the '90s. By the early '90s, the failure rate for metal tanks had gotten high enough that most boat builders had switched to seamless rotomolded polyethylene tanks, which had become the recommended material for waste holding.
 
Oct 10, 2008
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Hunter 430 Delin Moorage Tacoma
Triple M made the new tanks out of the polyethylene material to the exact drawings supplied by Hunter. Thanks again to Lawerence at Speciality Yachts in Vancouver BC for suppling the drawing and to Triple M Plastics for the excellent work.
 
Dec 2, 1997
8,966
- - LIttle Rock
That teaches me to flush flush flush the tank every year so no "gunk" is against the wall of the tank to corrode.
Not just every year...all waste tanks should be thoroughly flushed out 2-3 x a year, no matter what the tank is made of. It's not difficult...pump out the tank, then add 2-3 gallons of clean fresh water via the deck pumpout fitting--'cuz that sends the water into the tank at the bottom to stir up any sludge and hold it in suspension so it can be pumped out. Pump that out, add water again...repeat...repeat till the sight glass on the pumpout hose tells you you're pumping clean water.
Then, if you have a macerator and can easily get to waters where it's legal to use it, put a few more gallons of clean fresh water in the tank and turn on the macerator to rinse it and the plumbing to it out.
It's especially important to clean out the tank in preparation for winter or other extended layup.

However, it's not the "gunk" that corrodes the tank, it's urine...so keeping it clean of sludge won't extend a metal tank's lifespan, although it will prevent other problems.
 
Jun 2, 2004
121
Hunter 430 Shelter bay, Panama
I bought an off the rack replacement from ronco plastics. it is a few gallons smaller but fit easily and wasn't much money.