I am the proud owner of a Hunter 37 Cutter purchased last Feb (01) and sailed this Summer. Planned to do lots of work this Winter on the plumbing sys etc., but now have an extra few issues due to an accident at haul-out. The mast fell on the boat while the hauler was striking it which caused a bent mast, shattered port spreader, broken stern rail, bent bow rail, six bent lifeine stanchions, luff extrusions bent on furler. Old CDI furler parts no longer available. My first concern is the mast. It is a Kenyon spar. I was hoping for a new extrusion and to re-rig the tangs, halyards, standing rig, etc. I suppose there are no used, yet functional, Kenyon #5280 spars around. If I can get the same spar I don't have to mess with the mast base on the keel or the collar through the cabin. I have two boat yard prices but they are for totally different masts (Selden
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Why do you need to be frugal?
This is what insurance is all about. The hauler should have insurance, the yard should have insurance and you should have insurance. My suggestion is to have the INSURANCE Companies decide who pays and get it fixed and fixed right. You are probably looking at a $8-10k bill for all of this stuff.
This is what insurance is all about. The hauler should have insurance, the yard should have insurance and you should have insurance. My suggestion is to have the INSURANCE Companies decide who pays and get it fixed and fixed right. You are probably looking at a $8-10k bill for all of this stuff.
I guess Frugal Isn't correct word
Thanks, Steve, for your words. I have actually settled with the insurance co. and it is the open-ended "estimates" of the two boat yards that gave me the quotes that causes me to search for a simpler solution. You see, I don't know how much the actual work is gonna be once I give it to the yard. It would seem so much simpler if I could have the same spar built to the same measurements or better yet, find a used but serviceable spar, perhaps saving it from some landfill. The boat yard isn't interested in saving money. I just think that there may be a spar out there and, if there is, you guys and gals may know of one, or someone may tell me a mast supplier that can make me a new one. I do know one thing... I have learned so much about my 37C in the past few weeks since finding this forum. And I appreciate everyone's advice.
Thanks, Steve, for your words. I have actually settled with the insurance co. and it is the open-ended "estimates" of the two boat yards that gave me the quotes that causes me to search for a simpler solution. You see, I don't know how much the actual work is gonna be once I give it to the yard. It would seem so much simpler if I could have the same spar built to the same measurements or better yet, find a used but serviceable spar, perhaps saving it from some landfill. The boat yard isn't interested in saving money. I just think that there may be a spar out there and, if there is, you guys and gals may know of one, or someone may tell me a mast supplier that can make me a new one. I do know one thing... I have learned so much about my 37C in the past few weeks since finding this forum. And I appreciate everyone's advice.
Rig-Rite?
Rig-Rite web page indicates that they could furnish you the identical mast. probably worth checking into. Link below is to the Kenyon spars section.
Rig-Rite web page indicates that they could furnish you the identical mast. probably worth checking into. Link below is to the Kenyon spars section.
Rig-Rite for sure.
Terry is correct. I have purchased pieces-parts and they seem knowledgeable. I also have a SailNet catalog and I believe they have the identical extrusion in their inventory. I think they get about $44. a foot for that mast. And I think I measured mine at 52 feet. Bad news that you have to go through this. Good news that you will end up with a lot of new parts at, hopefully, no cost to you.
I pulled mine for the first time in the three years I have owned her. Amazing how solid that spar is. Do what I am doing, completely rewire with good Ancor 14 gauge.
Terry is correct. I have purchased pieces-parts and they seem knowledgeable. I also have a SailNet catalog and I believe they have the identical extrusion in their inventory. I think they get about $44. a foot for that mast. And I think I measured mine at 52 feet. Bad news that you have to go through this. Good news that you will end up with a lot of new parts at, hopefully, no cost to you.
I pulled mine for the first time in the three years I have owned her. Amazing how solid that spar is. Do what I am doing, completely rewire with good Ancor 14 gauge.Thank you Ed, Terry and Steve
Thanks from Cape Cod! Rig-Rite is close by so this will be a great "fit"! I can probably even deliver the mast so they can do most of the cutting. Will publish a summary and take notes along the way. I'll be sure to use Ancor 14 guage on the re-wire, too, Ed. Thanks again! Art
Thanks from Cape Cod! Rig-Rite is close by so this will be a great "fit"! I can probably even deliver the mast so they can do most of the cutting. Will publish a summary and take notes along the way. I'll be sure to use Ancor 14 guage on the re-wire, too, Ed. Thanks again! Art
12-gauge is good.
Just be careful with fit. The wiring in that mast is in a channel behind the sail track. In my track are two 3-wire cables, one to masthead for anchor/tri-color and one to steaming/deck light. Then there is the antenna coax and the wind transducer cable. It can get tight in there. And you must support all of that with riveted ties every so many feet, that's a lot of weight hanging in there. I guess if you ran out of room you could run a wire or two inside the mast with the halyards. But how would you get in there to anchor them to the sides? Also keep in mind that the original is 16-gauge. Have you seen a 14-gauge Ancor wire? Just received a 100' spool, heavy stuff. Most of this info thanx to Tom Hadoulias, he has done this. I haven't got my sail tracks off yet to look in there.
Just be careful with fit. The wiring in that mast is in a channel behind the sail track. In my track are two 3-wire cables, one to masthead for anchor/tri-color and one to steaming/deck light. Then there is the antenna coax and the wind transducer cable. It can get tight in there. And you must support all of that with riveted ties every so many feet, that's a lot of weight hanging in there. I guess if you ran out of room you could run a wire or two inside the mast with the halyards. But how would you get in there to anchor them to the sides? Also keep in mind that the original is 16-gauge. Have you seen a 14-gauge Ancor wire? Just received a 100' spool, heavy stuff. Most of this info thanx to Tom Hadoulias, he has done this. I haven't got my sail tracks off yet to look in there.
12 Guage in new mast/update
Sailnet has quoted a replacement spar to Kenyon. They will use 12 guage Ancor run through PVC pipes riveted to the mast every 3' or so. (Replacement extrusion doesn't have the separate wire track covered up by the luff track). Pricing on this new stick is very competitive with the other pricing and one of the guys there was the Kenyon foreman back when they were making the original #5280s for my 37C so they seem to know everything about the old spar I am trying to copy. The new spar will include all Aquasignal lights (masthead tri, steam/deck combo). Shipping will be pricey becasue Roadway no longer runs 53" trailers from FLA, instead they run 2 28'ers, so it will have to go by a boat hauler. Still waiting for Rig Rite for their pricing. They seem very busy.
Sailnet has quoted a replacement spar to Kenyon. They will use 12 guage Ancor run through PVC pipes riveted to the mast every 3' or so. (Replacement extrusion doesn't have the separate wire track covered up by the luff track). Pricing on this new stick is very competitive with the other pricing and one of the guys there was the Kenyon foreman back when they were making the original #5280s for my 37C so they seem to know everything about the old spar I am trying to copy. The new spar will include all Aquasignal lights (masthead tri, steam/deck combo). Shipping will be pricey becasue Roadway no longer runs 53" trailers from FLA, instead they run 2 28'ers, so it will have to go by a boat hauler. Still waiting for Rig Rite for their pricing. They seem very busy.
If Rig-rite does it...
could you just take the boat on down to RI and have them set the stick and rig it right there. This would save the cost of freight and the possibility of the stick getting damaged in transit too?
could you just take the boat on down to RI and have them set the stick and rig it right there. This would save the cost of freight and the possibility of the stick getting damaged in transit too?
Be carefull...
If the mast is going to have pvc or aluminum chase pipes installed inside, it was probably origanally an aluminum pipe compressed into a mast shape. A popular practice with some manufactures but not near as good as an extruded mast. I would not use this method myself as there are variables in the mast strength that cannot be seen, temper after the bend, work hardening ect... You have an extruded mast from Hunter and that's what you need to put back in or you may compromise your rigs original design. Keep with the same cross section and you can't go wrong. I would make sure any other alternative is backed up with some engineering data from a reputable marine architect before jumping in. Just my thoughts. Tom Hadoulias S/V Lite Chop
If the mast is going to have pvc or aluminum chase pipes installed inside, it was probably origanally an aluminum pipe compressed into a mast shape. A popular practice with some manufactures but not near as good as an extruded mast. I would not use this method myself as there are variables in the mast strength that cannot be seen, temper after the bend, work hardening ect... You have an extruded mast from Hunter and that's what you need to put back in or you may compromise your rigs original design. Keep with the same cross section and you can't go wrong. I would make sure any other alternative is backed up with some engineering data from a reputable marine architect before jumping in. Just my thoughts. Tom Hadoulias S/V Lite Chop
JSI
Thank you, Tom, for the head's up on the aluminum pipe compression thing. It doesn't sound like he would use an aluminum pipe compressed into a mast shape..I'll check with Jack on this, though. He has faxed me the cross section and it looks like an extrusion to me. There are some curves inside that would not lend themselves to the compression process. In my dealings over the phone with Sailnet's JSI and with all the other suppliers over the past three weeks, I haven't found anyone more knowledgable about spars than Jack Corey. Thank you also, Peter, for the recommendation on Jack. It is always difficult to know what you're going to get over the miles and after it's already paid for! He is a designer and seems to have a clear understanding of all the facets of mast design
Thank you, Tom, for the head's up on the aluminum pipe compression thing. It doesn't sound like he would use an aluminum pipe compressed into a mast shape..I'll check with Jack on this, though. He has faxed me the cross section and it looks like an extrusion to me. There are some curves inside that would not lend themselves to the compression process. In my dealings over the phone with Sailnet's JSI and with all the other suppliers over the past three weeks, I haven't found anyone more knowledgable about spars than Jack Corey. Thank you also, Peter, for the recommendation on Jack. It is always difficult to know what you're going to get over the miles and after it's already paid for! He is a designer and seems to have a clear understanding of all the facets of mast design
A couple more thoughts...
Art, Don't forget that a change in mast shape will also necessitate changing out the mast step as well. It's not likely that the existing mast step will accomodate the new mast unless the cross section matches perfectly. The original steps were supplied by Kenyon, they are a 356 aluminum casting. Also, the 37C was designed to have a through-bolt through the mast and the mast partners acting as a compression post and structually tying in the cabin top to the rig loading. Not many other boats are made this way so make sure your riggers know this and they take it into consideration. I would not recommend removing the mast partners if they do not fit the new mast, I would fabricate a new step and partners and have them installed the same way as OEM to accomodate your new mast. Just make sure you add this to the cost. I am speaking from experience as I refurbished my mast due to corrossion. I re-fabricated my mast step and partners to accomodate my installation and I would be happy to talk more about it if you like. You can email me at hadoult@aol.com. Tom S/V Lite Chop
Art, Don't forget that a change in mast shape will also necessitate changing out the mast step as well. It's not likely that the existing mast step will accomodate the new mast unless the cross section matches perfectly. The original steps were supplied by Kenyon, they are a 356 aluminum casting. Also, the 37C was designed to have a through-bolt through the mast and the mast partners acting as a compression post and structually tying in the cabin top to the rig loading. Not many other boats are made this way so make sure your riggers know this and they take it into consideration. I would not recommend removing the mast partners if they do not fit the new mast, I would fabricate a new step and partners and have them installed the same way as OEM to accomodate your new mast. Just make sure you add this to the cost. I am speaking from experience as I refurbished my mast due to corrossion. I re-fabricated my mast step and partners to accomodate my installation and I would be happy to talk more about it if you like. You can email me at hadoult@aol.com. Tom S/V Lite Chop
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