Humming Drive Shaft

Feb 21, 2008
413
Hunter 33 Metedeconk River
Hunter 33, Yanmar 3YM30 engine. Yearly change of engine and transmission oil

I was out yesterday and noticed a loud hum coming from the aft cabin. I went down but could not isolate where it was coming from. It comes and goes at certain RPM. When under sail with the gear shift in neutral you can hear it. If I shift into reverse it stops.

Any ideas? Thanks.
 
Jan 11, 2014
12,955
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
Sounds like the prop shaft is spinning. Do you have a fixed or folding/feathering prop?
 
Feb 21, 2008
413
Hunter 33 Metedeconk River
Its a fixed prop. Never had this noise before and it is loud. There appears to be very little vibration on the shaft while its running and can't shake it when its still. Would the cutlass bearing cause this? Is it in the transmission itself?
 
Jul 7, 2004
8,492
Hunter 30T Cheney, KS
If it has never done it before, and you just changed the transmission oil, I would start there. Is it topped off? Correct fluid?
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
23,139
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Have you checked your prop/shaft zinc ?
 
Feb 21, 2008
413
Hunter 33 Metedeconk River
I just put two new zincs on before launch a couple of weeks ago. I'm pretty sure I put them on correctly in the right configuration but I did not have this noise last year so it could be something to look at. I changed the fluid last year and used the Yanmar recommendation which I think was the same as the engine oil. The shaft turns easily by hand and again, the noise stops if I sail with the gear in reverse. I have a stethoscope and will see if I can localize the sound. Thanks for all your suggestions.
 
Jan 11, 2014
12,955
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
Its a fixed prop. Never had this noise before and it is loud. There appears to be very little vibration on the shaft while its running and can't shake it when its still. Would the cutlass bearing cause this? Is it in the transmission itself?
The next time this occurs, look at the prop shaft. It is probably turning. Check the Yanmar manual, it will specify whether the transmission should be in neutral, reverse, or forward. Follow their directions. A freewheeling prop on some transmissions will damage the transmission. If the transmission should be in neutral, shut down the diesel while in gear, then shift into neutral. If the prop is spinning in gear and then you shift to neutral the prop may continue to spin once the diesel is shut off. This will happen with my feathering prop, if it is turning and I shift to neutral while moving, sometimes it doesn't feather. Putting it in gear stops the spinning and the prop feathers.

If the boat is moving at a good speed when the diesel is shut off, water pressure on the prop will cause it to spin if in neutral. At slower the speeds the prop will either turn so slowly that you don't notice it or it won't turn at all. You may have noticed it now because something is slightly different on the boat that causes it to resonate.

A worn cutlass bearing might be an issue, if it is worn there is less friction so it is easier for the prop to turn. If the cutlas bearing is worn, the shaft will wiggle in the bearing. How old is the bearing?
 
Jul 7, 2004
8,492
Hunter 30T Cheney, KS
Zincs have been mentioned. If the aren't tight, they could be spinning on the shaft
 

jviss

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Feb 5, 2004
7,089
Tartan 3800 20 Westport, MA
If the transmission should be in neutral, shut down the diesel while in gear, then shift into neutral. If the prop is spinning in gear and then you shift to neutral the prop may continue to spin once the diesel is shut off. This will happen with my feathering prop, if it is turning and I shift to neutral while moving, sometimes it doesn't feather. Putting it in gear stops the spinning and the prop feathers.
OP said it's a fixed pitch prop, i.e., non-feathering.
 
Jan 11, 2014
12,955
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
OP said it's a fixed pitch prop, i.e., non-feathering.
Yeah, I know that, I asked the question. The mention of a feathering prop was simply an example why props spin when sailing.
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
A freewheeling prop on some transmissions will damage the transmission.
I don't know of a single transmission that will be damaged by a freewheeling prop shaft, BUT many Yanmar/Kansaki transmissions WILL be damaged by a shaft that is locked in gear by the transmission. They MUST freewheel, or have a feathering/folding prop that will not spin the shaft.
 
Jan 11, 2014
12,955
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
I don't know of a single transmission that will be damaged by a freewheeling prop shaft, BUT many Yanmar/Kansaki transmissions WILL be damaged by a shaft that is locked in gear by the transmission. They MUST freewheel, or have a feathering/folding prop that will not spin the shaft.
Older Volvo transmissions, like the MD7A, should be in reverse.
 
Dec 27, 2012
587
Precision Precision 28 St Augustine
It sounds like something I experienced last summer. When sailing at around 5 knots or greater the shaft would spin which caused a hum or vibration. If I engaged reverse the shaft would stop spinning. I read the Manuel for my Westerbeke and it actually suggested engaging in reverse. Once the boat was pulled for the winter I noticed play in the cutlass bearing. I replaced it and so far no shaft spin, even in neutral.
 

NYSail

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Jan 6, 2006
3,145
Beneteau 423 Mt. Sinai, NY
Keep in neutral or you will damage the transmission. Unless you get an actual shaft lock. My Old and New boats both equipped with yanmars. Always has a hum when the wind was good.

Greg
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
23,139
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Always has a hum when the wind was good.
So the HUM is helpful in telling you "Oh Boy you are really speeding along today..."