How to compare Jeanneau Vs. Beneteau Hi all I have been asked what is the difference between Jeanneau and beneteau especially in the high range, i.e.. 49 feet & up (mainly SO 49 & 54 and the comparable in Beneteau 47 & 57) - fully loaded yacht with full package Overall comments, if possible from owners with experience in both models. I am looking for constructive thoughts, as I am aware of same ownership and similarities, However, one have to make up his mind, Cost is not the major issue here, rather design, construction quality, sailing characteristics, ease of chandelling in rough water, integrity of hull, re-sale value, engine capability (motorsailing), etc can you help, I appreciate your responses Thanks zami
How to compare Jeanneau Vs. Beneteau
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Chevy and Pontiac .....
Each has one or two models that overlap in similarities with some differences in style/layout or looks. But when you "peel back the onion" they're more similar than not. Just don't ask me which ones a Chevy and which one is Pontiac *o
Each has one or two models that overlap in similarities with some differences in style/layout or looks. But when you "peel back the onion" they're more similar than not. Just don't ask me which ones a Chevy and which one is Pontiac *o
It's a little more involved
Beneteau also has two distinct lines; First and Oceanis. To me the First boats seem to be more performance-oriented, with features that are more functional and a bit less luxurious. (Pontiac?). Oceanis boats seem more cruising-oriented and a bit more luxurious (Buick?) but they still have strong performance potential. Peter H23 "Raven"
Beneteau also has two distinct lines; First and Oceanis. To me the First boats seem to be more performance-oriented, with features that are more functional and a bit less luxurious. (Pontiac?). Oceanis boats seem more cruising-oriented and a bit more luxurious (Buick?) but they still have strong performance potential. Peter H23 "Raven"
And what about Dufour?
How do they fit into the Frenchy picture? I really love the new Dufour 34. LOok great, love the lines.
How do they fit into the Frenchy picture? I really love the new Dufour 34. LOok great, love the lines.
Go for better quality
After a visit to the Annapolis boat show I came the the conclusion that you really do get what you pay for. I own a Beneteau and it is a fair vessel. Want something that will really hold value and be easy to sell down the road? Buy better quality. Tartan, Sabre, Island Packet, C&C, J-Boat and vessels in that quality are really the best boats to own. The so called production boats just fine, but if you want to be smart with your money then go for better quality. Even if that means buying a good used boat. Just watch how fast a production boat drops within the first 3 years compared to those better quality on the market. Do the math and in the end quality is the best choice. Good Luck!
After a visit to the Annapolis boat show I came the the conclusion that you really do get what you pay for. I own a Beneteau and it is a fair vessel. Want something that will really hold value and be easy to sell down the road? Buy better quality. Tartan, Sabre, Island Packet, C&C, J-Boat and vessels in that quality are really the best boats to own. The so called production boats just fine, but if you want to be smart with your money then go for better quality. Even if that means buying a good used boat. Just watch how fast a production boat drops within the first 3 years compared to those better quality on the market. Do the math and in the end quality is the best choice. Good Luck!
James, I agree with you on some points
Your best value is buying a good quality used boat. You will probably get the best percentage back on your dollar when you sell the boat. Not to mention that the boat you get would probably be much more satisfying to sail and own, which is worth a lot. But thinking that by purchasing any new "higher" end boat (Tartan, Island Packet, Hinckley, etc) will return a higher percentage of your money when you sell is very often not true. Many of these "higher" end boats are pretty expensive and after 1 year drop a lot in price. The reason is a lot of people that can afford those "higher" end boats want and will pay the premium for a new boat, so even though they could get a 1 year old (lets say a Hinckley) they don't want it , they want a new one. So the prices of a 1 year old Hinckley is lots of time 20-30% less than new just to be able to move the boat. Now a 15 year old "quality" boat will retain their value much better than a 15 year old lesser boat, because most buyers know that a quality boat will hold up much better This has been discussed before on this site, but not all production boats lose as a large part of their value as you might think. It depends on the boat. For instance historically the Catalina 36 used boat prices have stayed pretty strong and they have been making them for over 20 years. I have heard complaints from people looking to buy a good 1 or 2 year old used C36 decide to just buy new as the used boat prices are not that different (but I'm sure they have a good set of add ons). I also know people that have picked up 10-15 year old Catalina 36's and sold them years later for just about what they bought them for. So my whole point is -- It all depends --
Your best value is buying a good quality used boat. You will probably get the best percentage back on your dollar when you sell the boat. Not to mention that the boat you get would probably be much more satisfying to sail and own, which is worth a lot. But thinking that by purchasing any new "higher" end boat (Tartan, Island Packet, Hinckley, etc) will return a higher percentage of your money when you sell is very often not true. Many of these "higher" end boats are pretty expensive and after 1 year drop a lot in price. The reason is a lot of people that can afford those "higher" end boats want and will pay the premium for a new boat, so even though they could get a 1 year old (lets say a Hinckley) they don't want it , they want a new one. So the prices of a 1 year old Hinckley is lots of time 20-30% less than new just to be able to move the boat. Now a 15 year old "quality" boat will retain their value much better than a 15 year old lesser boat, because most buyers know that a quality boat will hold up much better This has been discussed before on this site, but not all production boats lose as a large part of their value as you might think. It depends on the boat. For instance historically the Catalina 36 used boat prices have stayed pretty strong and they have been making them for over 20 years. I have heard complaints from people looking to buy a good 1 or 2 year old used C36 decide to just buy new as the used boat prices are not that different (but I'm sure they have a good set of add ons). I also know people that have picked up 10-15 year old Catalina 36's and sold them years later for just about what they bought them for. So my whole point is -- It all depends --
Fred, if cost isn't an issue
Then why is Zambi comparing a Jeanneau Vs. Beneteau and not a Halberg Rassy or something like that ?
But I understand what he is saying as in general terms a similar sized Jenneau and Beneteau are generally in the same ball park in price
Then why is Zambi comparing a Jeanneau Vs. Beneteau and not a Halberg Rassy or something like that ?
But I understand what he is saying as in general terms a similar sized Jenneau and Beneteau are generally in the same ball park in price
Cost is not the main issue, but.....
2 seperate questions: 1. What is the difference in quality of design, workmenship, quality os sailig, motion, stability, etc. 2. The B57 cost more than 100,000 euro more, is it worth it? Say you can afford it, is the B57 better yacht? or just 84 cm longer and 12 cm wider? There must be a way to "fall in love" with a boat and than look deeply at why did I fell in love. One can look into "Sailig ratios", is this is the way? SA/Disp., LOA/Beam?, Loa/Lwl, ??? Thanks
2 seperate questions: 1. What is the difference in quality of design, workmenship, quality os sailig, motion, stability, etc. 2. The B57 cost more than 100,000 euro more, is it worth it? Say you can afford it, is the B57 better yacht? or just 84 cm longer and 12 cm wider? There must be a way to "fall in love" with a boat and than look deeply at why did I fell in love. One can look into "Sailig ratios", is this is the way? SA/Disp., LOA/Beam?, Loa/Lwl, ??? Thanks
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