How much batten bend to set up in the roach of a daysailers' mainsail

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Feb 26, 2010
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Hunter 15 Fremantle, Western Australia
There seems to be a reasonable amount of adjustment via the Velcro tab at the outside of the the one and only batten pocket of the H146/H15 mainsail. What are your thoughts on how much ‘shape’ to set up?

Looking at the photos in the H146 Owners Photo album there seems to be different thoughts on how much bend is the right amount.
Do people believe:
Light wind days = more bend/shape to the top of the sail to create more draft in the roach?

Strong wind = less bend/shape, as flat as you can make it to reduce lift/power?

Doesn't matter, just secure it in so it doesn't come out?

Feedback is appreciated.
Cheers
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,199
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
Sounds like you've already got it figured out... Let your own preference tell you what is best.
 
Feb 26, 2010
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Hunter 15 Fremantle, Western Australia
I was just wondering if an adjustable batten had much effect on the amount of draft in the mainsail. In a masthead rig I know it is the backstay that greatly effects the shape (and therefore draft) of the upper part of the main. My H15 is a fractional rig and therefore has no backstay nor even a traveller and therefore somewhat limited control of sailshape. I believe that the more I can understand about the dynamics of controlling sail shape, the better I can sail my boat.
There is a lot of great experience and knowledge shared on this site and I greatly appreciate all feedback I receive to my enquiries.
Cheers!
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,199
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
Yes....... that's why they are adjustable... but to have an effect on draft they must be full length battens. You have not offered us any information about your batten/battens.. For instance, are they full length or partial, what material are they made of -plastic, metal, fiberglass covered foam... are they consistant in thickness or are they "tapered"..

My Nacra 5.2 beach cat has NINE full length, foam core/ glass coverd, tapered battens with quick adjustment end caps. On the beach, at the beginning of a sailing session, the skipper and crew will tilt the boat on it's side with the main hoisted, sight down the sail and quickly make adjustments to the battens based on anticipated wind conditions.

The tapered battens are thinner near the luff than the leech.. if you apply more tension at the stiffer backside the more flexible front end will bend and the draft will not only deepen, it will move forward. Batten adjustment is a big part of Nacra racing. Hobie 16's, on the other hand, have metal, stiff, non tapered battens and do not offer the same dynamic that foam battens do... The Hobie was very popular because it was very simple to sail... no dagger boards, limited sail adjustment and battens that were very difficult to break. Foam battens are not only easy to break, they are damn expensive... at 20 to 40 bucks apiece, and 9 on each sail, you don't see alot of Nacra sailors frolicing in the surf the way Hobie guys would...

So........ like I said... you've already indicated that you understand basic sail trim, and that your single batten may be able to control sail shape. It would make sense that your experimenting with different settings would be more beneficial than trying to find some kind of hard and fast rule. If adjusting the tension on the batten allows you to dial in draft depth and position in that area of the sail, and you can't affect it as well with other controls.. then that's the way to go. With just one adjustable batten it would indicate that you could adjust it while sailing... not something normally done with a beach cat.

Finally, I'd suggest you find a good book on dinghy racing... there are many... that goes into this in some depth. When I campaigned my Laser many years ago the battens were all flat plastic partials whose sole purpose was to support the leech. They were simply slipped into the pocket and left alone.... no one ever talked about batten adjustment. On the beach at Claremont point in Belmont shores.. it was a constant topic of discussion.
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,199
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
Well... I looked up your boat and by the picture I now see what your question is referring to.... You have 2 partial battens and a full on top.... My impression is that it simply is there to support the protruding roach.... I think your mainsheet will have a lot more affect on shape than the batten... but you must experiment with it yourself to be sure.... The easiest way is to simply tip the boat on its side so you can see the sail's curve when you make the adjustment... rather than dropping, adjusting and then re hoisting. Good luck.

 
Feb 26, 2010
259
Hunter 15 Fremantle, Western Australia
Joe,
Thanks for the good advice. I'll definitely lay the boat down on its side to view what the batten is doing to sail shape the next time I'm going out. I have a good book on racing that I used a lot when I was racing my 21 footer. It's the one from North Sail, the North U Smart Course). My larger boat had a lot more adjustments available than my current Hunter 15 does. The reason I bought the H15 was because it is a boat that is easy to setup, launch and retrieve. I really don't expect it to give me the options to squeeze the last .2 of a knot out of her. However a good appreciation of sail trim is a good thing to know.
Cheers,
 
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