House battery bank

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Jan 22, 2008
1,483
Hunter 37 C sloop Punta Gorda FL
Too cold here to work outside on the boat. Better inside planning and scheming.

I currently have two 12v group 31 deepcycle batteries under the nav station. Don't like the location or the 200 AH total. Could fit Three 6 volt golf cart batteries in bilge. If I run BIG wires up to v berth to connect the 4th golf cart in to the bank will I have early failure due to voltage differential in one paralell path vs the other?

Less desireable to me is 3 12 grp 31's in bilge, but then I have 3 parallel paths and only 300 AH.

Any thoughts?
 
Jun 2, 2004
5,802
Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
Wondering why your batteries are not in the original location, the starboard cockpit locker? And why is there one in the v-berth? Is it dedicated to a windlass? That one would have to be left alone. You would not want to wire that in with the grp 31s. And adding new batteries to the two old 31s is also not a good idea.

You must have the fin keel H37C. It has a much deeper bilge then my shoal draft. I have one grp27 in there but never could get two more. Not and have any room for the shower sump and the bilge pumps.

My AGM starter battery is on the hull in that starboard locker. Then I have three more down there, two on the hull and one on the shelf behind the icebox. The weight is countered by the 45 gals of fuel on the port side. I added the one in the bilge to get approx. 400ah on the house bank.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,353
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
No problemo

If I run BIG wires up to v berth to connect the 4th golf cart in to the bank will I have early failure due to voltage differential in one paralell path vs the other?
Just size the wire correctly. Good idea.
 
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Jan 22, 2008
1,483
Hunter 37 C sloop Punta Gorda FL
Don't have any idea what the "original location" is. My starboard locker is full of insulation over the refigerator/freezer and Adler barbour coils. There is no battery currently in the v-berth, but there is room. My boat is shoal draft like yours, I can move the shower sump forward, the bilge pump aft. Haven't yet built a 3d mock up, but the tape measure sez 3 will fit. My starting battery is on the hull forward of the Westerbeke.

Won't make these changes soon, trying to get the holding tank and windlass installed so we can go by boat to Miami boat show in February. Killing time till it warms up, planning next steps.
 
Jan 22, 2008
1,483
Hunter 37 C sloop Punta Gorda FL
Bill, I'm pretty sure my Exide 31s have 120 amps each.
Could be, I'm not that far along. West Marine Catalog shows their house brand at 105. Problem I've had with 12 v batteries has been that with 4 in parallel, one is "weaker"somehow and sucks up all the charging amps till it burns out. 2 pair of 6v golf carts in series has not done this to me.
 
Jun 2, 2004
5,802
Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
Same here Bill. I have an Adler/Barbour, a Freedom 20, canvas, spare lines, anchors, oil, and much more in the starboard locker. Still lots of room for four batteries. They are down on the bottom and because they are AGMs never have to be accessed. When I bought the boat in '98 and saw where the originals were located I knew I had to go maintenance free. But if you can get three in the bilge that would be ideal. My table is removable which makes life much easier if you work in there.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,760
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Could be, I'm not that far along. West Marine Catalog shows their house brand at 105. Problem I've had with 12 v batteries has been that with 4 in parallel, one is "weaker"somehow and sucks up all the charging amps till it burns out. 2 pair of 6v golf carts in series has not done this to me.
Bill,

Some thoughts.

1-If you had a 12V go bad this can happen in any battery system, 6 or 12 volt. The important thing is that when you upgrade, or add to a bank, you should always replace all the batteries so as not to mix batteries of differing ages.

2- Individual batteries are made up of, well, individual batteries or internal cells. 6v batteries essentially have three internal 2v batteries and 12 volt batteries have six internal batteries 2v batteries.

3- When you combine in parallel or series/parallel you are essentially connecting all these internal batteries externally. While this is not a bad idea by any means, it does mean old and new or batteries of different type should not be mixed and matched.

4- Three 12v batteries is not a bad set up, if that is what you have the space for. The Trojan SCS 225 is an amazing battery and offers 125 Ah's.

5- How many Ah's do you need? Have you run the numbers? If you have run the numbers how did you determine actual daily consumption? Do you have a battery monitor?

6- The rule of thumb, when sailing off the dock & beginning with a full charge, is that you will have 50% of the total Ah capacity to use before hitting a 50% depth of discharge. For battery longevity and cycle life you don't want to regularly discharge below 50% of the total bank capacity.

7-The rule of thumb when sailing off the hook, with only an alternator, is that you will only ever recharge to about 80% of capacity. So if you have a 400 Ah bank you would only have 320 Ah's of capacity and then only 120 Ah's of usable capacity before you hit a 50% depth of discharge on the banks face value of 400 Ah's..

8- I have found it is easier, and possibly even less expensive up front, to minimize my consumption. LED interior lighting, LED running and anchor lights, using DC power for computers/TV's as opposed to inverting to 120 V then stepping back down to DC anyway. We have a 36 footer and use lots of lighting, a stereo, electronics and my daughter watches about an hour of TV a night and we still never draw our 240 Ah bank even near 50% DOD. So there are two ways to go, bigger bank with more complexity, expensive wire runs etc., or a slightly smaller bank and less consumption.

9- If you reside at a dock and you use refrigeration leave it on during the week and leave some mass in it, such as gallons of water, so the box is pre-chilled before you leave the dock. This can save a massive amount of Ah's in the energy needed to cool all the materials in the ice box. You are not just cooling the air, but all that fiberglass too. The fridge on our old Catalina would cycle at about 80% + on during the first day or two out but if I had a chance to leave it on full time we would cycle at about 50%-60% on with a 5 amp draw that is a significant Ah savings..


Lots of ways to go, but I would not rule out banks of 12v batts just because of one failure. While I do personally prefer 6V batts there is nothing wrong with a good 12 v deep cycle battery. I currently have a 12v bank due to space constraints and actual need. If you can get away with three 125 Ah 12v batts that would save you a significant amount of money in wiring.

When combining batteries you'll want as large a cable as you can get as they are often called upon to deliver starting loads of up to 150 amps, sometimes more.. For a separated 6V in the v-berth, that may have ten feet of wire in each direction, I would personally use 3/0 wire to attain a 2% voltage drop or 1/0 wire for 3%..
 
Jan 22, 2008
1,483
Hunter 37 C sloop Punta Gorda FL
Same here Bill. I have an Adler/Barbour, a Freedom 20, canvas, spare lines, anchors, oil, and much more in the starboard locker. Still lots of room for four batteries. They are down on the bottom and because they are AGMs never have to be accessed. When I bought the boat in '98 and saw where the originals were located I knew I had to go maintenance free. But if you can get three in the bilge that would be ideal. My table is removable which makes life much easier if you work in there.
The Admiral ordered our table removed, so it is gone, banished to my side of the garage. Lots of room to work, walk etc. That is how I discovered that I could (Maybe) move the shower sump forward
 
Jan 22, 2008
1,483
Hunter 37 C sloop Punta Gorda FL
Thanks Maine. Thinking about my post, your reply and this reply has been very helpful. I believe that 2 batteries in series do not subject the "weaker" to the big current flow that Parallel wiring does. Six volt Golf carts remain first choice for me, but we will see what is possible.

I just got this boat. zero time cruising in it , but my previous cruising boat (Morgan 34) used about 70-75 AH for refrigeration, another 20 or so for anchor lights, cell phones, computers etc. My liveaboard 41 footer used about 100 ah for refrigeration another 20 or 25 for all else, but I had a 6KW generator on it.

I keep this new boat, and the previous ones, in my back yard. I got a power pedestal from the local marina when they were updating theirs, keep the boat plugged in so I can use the boat's 110 outlets for my power tools, heat guns, work lights etc. We will freeze water from our kitchen R/O unit to use for coffee and drinking, start the fridge a day or so before departure, use a fridge blanket etc, just like we did before. At present, I am installing a holding tank, and a manual windlass in the anchor locker. As soon as we can control our waste and the 45# CQR / 3/8" BBB ground tackle, we will leave for Marathon and Miami for the boat show. Later I hope to go north to the Panhandle and be back before Summer.

Here in SW Florida, the seasons are reversed. Summer is crummy cruising. The mosquitos are big enough to be life threatening, the storms boast hurricane force gusts and the temperature and humidity both exceed 90 frequently.

This summer I expect to tackle the electrical system, change to a H/O alternator, serously consider solar cell and wind generators. Lots of folks on the Hunter forum use Honda or other portable gasoline generators. Once chartered a Catamaran with one of those. Neither the Admiral nor I have any interest in owning one. Early 90's when we were fitting out the 41, there were little diesel 12volt generators like the Panda. I might look into that.
 
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