I recently replaced my old head with a ne Jabsco Head. I replaced the hoses also. I seem to have a problem with gases building up in the holding tank now. It will actually bulge the tank. The only way to get rid of it is to remove the small, what seems like a vent hose att ehtank and the gas escapes. My first question is is this really a vent hose? If so I have looked for pinches etc and can find none. Any ideas?
Holding Tank Problem
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test vent hose for blockage
Your holding tank should have a vent hose that exits the boat. My vent exits through a small fitting on the transom. Check both the hose and the fitting for blockage. My fitting has a small screened air hole. It could be blocked on the outside from something like hull wax, or on the inside from overfilling the tank. You could check the vent tube with a tubing barb fitting on your water hose see if water flows through freely, but bring the pressure up slowly.
Your holding tank should have a vent hose that exits the boat. My vent exits through a small fitting on the transom. Check both the hose and the fitting for blockage. My fitting has a small screened air hole. It could be blocked on the outside from something like hull wax, or on the inside from overfilling the tank. You could check the vent tube with a tubing barb fitting on your water hose see if water flows through freely, but bring the pressure up slowly.
Gary nailed yr problem...the tank vent is blocked
The vent on all tanks--water, fuel, waste holding--has two essential functions: it allows air IN to replace contents as they are drawn out, and it allows air displaced by incoming water, fuel or waste to get out. Therefore, it's absolutely essential that all tank vents be kept open, because unless air can be pulled in through the vent to replace the waste (or anything else in ANY container) being pulled out, a vacuum is created in which nothing more can be removed--but in which the suction CAN crack the tank. And a pressurized tank can have equally disastrous consequences--anything from a geyser when the deck fill or deck pumpout cap is removed to a backup in the toilet, to blown out fittings, to a cracked tank. You're lucky that only gasses escape when you remove the vent line from the tank...if the tank were only a little more pressurized, there'd be a sewage eruption. Ever see that happen at a pumpout when the deck pumpout cap is removed? You're lucky THAT didn't happen to you! 99% of tank vent blockages occur in two places: the through-hull and both the vent fitting and that end of the hose at the tank. Scrape the thru-hull fitting out with a screwdriver blade...don't worry about destroying any screen...screens cause far more problems than they solve. Every time you pump out and or wash the boat, blast the thru-hull out with water. Remove the vent line from the tank and scrape out both the fitting and that end of the hose. If that doesn't solve your problem, there's a blockage somewhere in the vent line that's not gonna be easy to get out...in which case, the best solution is a new vent line. I also suggest that you check out the link below to learn how your toilet and the rest of your sanitation system is supposed to work and how to maintain 'em.
The vent on all tanks--water, fuel, waste holding--has two essential functions: it allows air IN to replace contents as they are drawn out, and it allows air displaced by incoming water, fuel or waste to get out. Therefore, it's absolutely essential that all tank vents be kept open, because unless air can be pulled in through the vent to replace the waste (or anything else in ANY container) being pulled out, a vacuum is created in which nothing more can be removed--but in which the suction CAN crack the tank. And a pressurized tank can have equally disastrous consequences--anything from a geyser when the deck fill or deck pumpout cap is removed to a backup in the toilet, to blown out fittings, to a cracked tank. You're lucky that only gasses escape when you remove the vent line from the tank...if the tank were only a little more pressurized, there'd be a sewage eruption. Ever see that happen at a pumpout when the deck pumpout cap is removed? You're lucky THAT didn't happen to you! 99% of tank vent blockages occur in two places: the through-hull and both the vent fitting and that end of the hose at the tank. Scrape the thru-hull fitting out with a screwdriver blade...don't worry about destroying any screen...screens cause far more problems than they solve. Every time you pump out and or wash the boat, blast the thru-hull out with water. Remove the vent line from the tank and scrape out both the fitting and that end of the hose. If that doesn't solve your problem, there's a blockage somewhere in the vent line that's not gonna be easy to get out...in which case, the best solution is a new vent line. I also suggest that you check out the link below to learn how your toilet and the rest of your sanitation system is supposed to work and how to maintain 'em.
more info about sanitary holding tank vent
I too had a problem with the sanitary holding tank on my E27. I won't getting into the details about back flow through the head into the cabin but in the process of correcting the plumbing. I sent over an hour talking to one of the engineers at Raritan. He advised following the European standard concerning the vent. In Europe they use a 1 1/2" hose for both the discharge and the vent. The purpose was not only to prevent the problems mentioned but also to allow oxygen into the holding tank to help sustain a perticular type of bacteria to break down the waste and prevent odor. He went on to say that I could subsitute a second 3/4" for the 1 1/2" vent line on the oposite side of the boat to get air cross flow. So that is what I did and have not had a smell out of the head in 3 seasons. PS check to make sure the 1 1/2 " hose from the head to the holding tank loops above the water line when heeled to the side with the head. The loop should also have a vacuum break at the top of the loop to prevent siphoning of holding tank back through the head when the joker valve located on the back of the head fails. It will fail and without the sanitary loop the results are not pretty. Hope this info helps. Good luck with your project. Doug
I too had a problem with the sanitary holding tank on my E27. I won't getting into the details about back flow through the head into the cabin but in the process of correcting the plumbing. I sent over an hour talking to one of the engineers at Raritan. He advised following the European standard concerning the vent. In Europe they use a 1 1/2" hose for both the discharge and the vent. The purpose was not only to prevent the problems mentioned but also to allow oxygen into the holding tank to help sustain a perticular type of bacteria to break down the waste and prevent odor. He went on to say that I could subsitute a second 3/4" for the 1 1/2" vent line on the oposite side of the boat to get air cross flow. So that is what I did and have not had a smell out of the head in 3 seasons. PS check to make sure the 1 1/2 " hose from the head to the holding tank loops above the water line when heeled to the side with the head. The loop should also have a vacuum break at the top of the loop to prevent siphoning of holding tank back through the head when the joker valve located on the back of the head fails. It will fail and without the sanitary loop the results are not pretty. Hope this info helps. Good luck with your project. Doug
Who at Raritan told you all this, Doug? 
'Cuz while I've been preaching the same approach, for the same reasons, for 15 years, I'm not aware of any European standard that calls for 1.5" vents...in fact, AFIK, there is NO European standard for holding tank venting. However, there is a UK tank mfr--Tek-Tank http://www.tek-tanks.com/sanitation/sanitation_index.html who's posted almost the entire chapter on holding tanks installation from my book on their website...with my permission (although they did use a lot more of my book that I intended <g>). Whether a larger diameter vent will help, or whether two vents are a good idea, depends on several factors...length of the vent line, how straight it is, the degree of rise...and location of the vent thru-hull. All of which also has to do with whether the location of the tank. A VENTED loop in the line from the toilet to the tank isn't necessary, 'cuz any siphon started would be broken immediately when the boat tacks. If the inlet fitting on the tank is outboard, a LOOP may be a good idea...but a vented loop won't do any more to prevent runback toward the toilet when the boat is heeled than an unvented loop. In short, despite what someone at Raritan (has to be someone at their FL warehouse...couldn't be Vic Willman at the NJ main plant) told you, there are no "one size fits all" "cookie cutter" solutions to tank venting that work for all tank installations...and larger vent diameter won't prevent a tank vent from becoming blocked if the vent isn't maintained, the blockage will just be a bigger chunk of something.
'Cuz while I've been preaching the same approach, for the same reasons, for 15 years, I'm not aware of any European standard that calls for 1.5" vents...in fact, AFIK, there is NO European standard for holding tank venting. However, there is a UK tank mfr--Tek-Tank http://www.tek-tanks.com/sanitation/sanitation_index.html who's posted almost the entire chapter on holding tanks installation from my book on their website...with my permission (although they did use a lot more of my book that I intended <g>). Whether a larger diameter vent will help, or whether two vents are a good idea, depends on several factors...length of the vent line, how straight it is, the degree of rise...and location of the vent thru-hull. All of which also has to do with whether the location of the tank. A VENTED loop in the line from the toilet to the tank isn't necessary, 'cuz any siphon started would be broken immediately when the boat tacks. If the inlet fitting on the tank is outboard, a LOOP may be a good idea...but a vented loop won't do any more to prevent runback toward the toilet when the boat is heeled than an unvented loop. In short, despite what someone at Raritan (has to be someone at their FL warehouse...couldn't be Vic Willman at the NJ main plant) told you, there are no "one size fits all" "cookie cutter" solutions to tank venting that work for all tank installations...and larger vent diameter won't prevent a tank vent from becoming blocked if the vent isn't maintained, the blockage will just be a bigger chunk of something.
Peggy Hall, who at Raritian?
Peggy, I had a little time on my hands the other day and went digging through the receits for all the stuff I purchased when replumbing the head. I will have to say I did not save the name of the person at Raritian. Sorry! I also checked out your links and the two pages about heads/holding tanks in the 2005 West Marine Catalog. With out getting into to much debate I agree with your idea's except in my particular application I think the vacuum break is needed as a failsafe to prevent back flow from the holding tank into the bowl IF the joker valve fails. Good luck promoting your idea's.I for one am a believer in good tank venting to prevent odor.
Peggy, I had a little time on my hands the other day and went digging through the receits for all the stuff I purchased when replumbing the head. I will have to say I did not save the name of the person at Raritian. Sorry! I also checked out your links and the two pages about heads/holding tanks in the 2005 West Marine Catalog. With out getting into to much debate I agree with your idea's except in my particular application I think the vacuum break is needed as a failsafe to prevent back flow from the holding tank into the bowl IF the joker valve fails. Good luck promoting your idea's.I for one am a believer in good tank venting to prevent odor.
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