Hoisting and Flying Gennaker: Advice Needed

Nov 5, 2021
13
Beneteau 331 Pensacola
Yesterday, I hoisted (with difficulty) my new gennaker on my Beneteau 331, PELIKAN. I need some advice from a sailor who flies a gennaker or spinnaker on their own similar Beneteau. I do not intend on using a "dousing sock" although I had one on my last sailboat. I prefer to launch it straight from the bag. 1. How do you attach the tack at the bow? 2. How do you run the sheet line back to the winch. 3. What is your process for hoisting the gennaker? 4. What is your process for bringing it in and down, back into the bag? 5. How do you arrange the sail in the bag to make it convenient to hoist later? I did get it up flying, but it was not easy. I attached the tack to the front railing and I know that is a bad idea. I got the sail foot wet getting it down. So I really would appreciate some advice. Photos are always helpful. See my video below. Thanks very much.

 
Jan 7, 2011
5,463
Oday 322 East Chicago, IN
I don’t have a Bene, but I do fly a spinnaker on my O’Day 322, usually single-handed.

I do have a sock, which I think is critical for making it work for me. Why don’t you want to use a sock?

When I fly mine, I move the bad to the foredeck, and clip it on to a lifeline. I open the bag and find the 3 corners of the sail. I run the tack line over my anchor roller, and back to a cleat. I attach the halyard to the head of of the sail. And I attached the sheet to the 3rd corner. I raise the sail (in the sock) until to the top of the mast. and make sure the tack is tight. Then I walk the sheet outside of the shrouds, back to a turning block and the. To the primary winch. I leave the sheet very loose. Then I go back the mast, and raise the sock up to the top of the sail. Once up, Imget back to the cockpit, and tighten the sheet.


Dropping the spinnaker requires me to to:
loosen the sheet so the sock can pull the sail forward
go to the mast and pull the sock down, getting the sail up into a small column.
open the clutch to let the halyard drop. I have to pull mine down some, so I can stuff the sail (in the sock) into the bag, while the sail comes down. I put the middle of the sail in the bag first, stuffing top and bottom of middle as I go, until,I have the 3 corners sticking out.
The I uncleat the tack, remove the sheet (I don’t leave mine on the sail), and remove the halyard and stuff the 3 corners into the bag.

I don’t have a good video of setting or striking the sail…just a little video with the spinnaker up.

 
Nov 5, 2021
13
Beneteau 331 Pensacola
I don’t have a Bene, but I do fly a spinnaker on my O’Day 322, usually single-handed.

I do have a sock, which I think is critical for making it work for me. Why don’t you want to use a sock?

When I fly mine, I move the bad to the foredeck, and clip it on to a lifeline. I open the bag and find the 3 corners of the sail. I run the tack line over my anchor roller, and back to a cleat. I attach the halyard to the head of of the sail. And I attached the sheet to the 3rd corner. I raise the sail (in the sock) until to the top of the mast. and make sure the tack is tight. Then I walk the sheet outside of the shrouds, back to a turning block and the. To the primary winch. I leave the sheet very loose. Then I go back the mast, and raise the sock up to the top of the sail. Once up, Imget back to the cockpit, and tighten the sheet.


Dropping the spinnaker requires me to to:
loosen the sheet so the sock can pull the sail forward
go to the mast and pull the sock down, getting the sail up into a small column.
open the clutch to let the halyard drop. I have to pull mine down some, so I can stuff the sail (in the sock) into the bag, while the sail comes down. I put the middle of the sail in the bag first, stuffing top and bottom of middle as I go, until,I have the 3 corners sticking out.
The I uncleat the tack, remove the sheet (I don’t leave mine on the sail), and remove the halyard and stuff the 3 corners into the bag.

I don’t have a good video of setting or striking the sail…just a little video with the spinnaker up.

Yes, I guess I do need a sock...thanks very much for your reply....
 
Nov 5, 2021
13
Beneteau 331 Pensacola
Yes, I guess I do need a sock...thanks very much for your reply....
I watched your video and found it very interesting....what is that power meter you mention that monitors your batteries? I like that!
 
May 17, 2004
5,552
Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
I also use a sock, with a very similar launch and recovery procedure as Tally Ho. I do keep the sheets on the sail, so I start by connecting the halyard and pulling a couple feet of sock out of the bag, then running the sheets, then attaching the tack. Then I pull the halyard all the way up. I do a sanity check of all lines before pulling up the sock, clearing any twists or misrouted lines.

My tack does float higher that Tally Ho’s. The tack line runs down to a block on the anchor roller bracket and to a bow cleat. To keep the tack from blowing to leeward, especially on a reach, I have parrel beads to hold the tack close to the forestay.
 
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Sep 20, 2006
2,952
Hunter 33 Georgian Bay, Ontario, Canada
I don’t have a Bene, but I do fly a spinnaker on my O’Day 322, usually single-handed.

I do have a sock, which I think is critical for making it work for me. Why don’t you want to use a sock?

When I fly mine, I move the bad to the foredeck, and clip it on to a lifeline. I open the bag and find the 3 corners of the sail. I run the tack line over my anchor roller, and back to a cleat. I attach the halyard to the head of of the sail. And I attached the sheet to the 3rd corner. I raise the sail (in the sock) until to the top of the mast. and make sure the tack is tight. Then I walk the sheet outside of the shrouds, back to a turning block and the. To the primary winch. I leave the sheet very loose. Then I go back the mast, and raise the sock up to the top of the sail. Once up, Imget back to the cockpit, and tighten the sheet.


Dropping the spinnaker requires me to to:
loosen the sheet so the sock can pull the sail forward
go to the mast and pull the sock down, getting the sail up into a small column.
open the clutch to let the halyard drop. I have to pull mine down some, so I can stuff the sail (in the sock) into the bag, while the sail comes down. I put the middle of the sail in the bag first, stuffing top and bottom of middle as I go, until,I have the 3 corners sticking out.
The I uncleat the tack, remove the sheet (I don’t leave mine on the sail), and remove the halyard and stuff the 3 corners into the bag.

I don’t have a good video of setting or striking the sail…just a little video with the spinnaker up.


Just rigging mine for the first time as well. I noticed you only use 1 sheet? Do you tie the sheet or use a snap shackle.
 

JBP-PA

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Apr 29, 2022
578
Jeanneau Tonic 23 Erie, PA
I don't use a sock. I usually attach the tack to a downhaul line run through the anchor roller, or to a block attached in the same place. Sometimes I use an ATN tacker strap but I've not noticed any great advantages to that.
I pack the sail so that the head, tack, and clew are accessible and not twisted so I can launch out of the bag. Sometimes I'll leave the Genoa up and launch it behind the Genoa, but often I just launch it behind the main.
To douse it, I grab the sheet and pull it toward the tack dumping the wind. Then I basically "hug" the sail while releasing the halyard and pull it in to keep it out of the water.
 
Nov 5, 2021
13
Beneteau 331 Pensacola
I don't use a sock. I usually attach the tack to a downhaul line run through the anchor roller, or to a block attached in the same place. Sometimes I use an ATN tacker strap but I've not noticed any great advantages to that.
I pack the sail so that the head, tack, and clew are accessible and not twisted so I can launch out of the bag. Sometimes I'll leave the Genoa up and launch it behind the Genoa, but often I just launch it behind the main.
To douse it, I grab the sheet and pull it toward the tack dumping the wind. Then I basically "hug" the sail while releasing the halyard and pull it in to keep it out of the water.
Thanks for the good advice...
 
Nov 5, 2021
13
Beneteau 331 Pensacola
I also use a sock, with a very similar launch and recovery procedure as Tally Ho. I do keep the sheets on the sail, so I start by connecting the halyard and pulling a couple feet of sock out of the bag, then running the sheets, then attaching the tack. Then I pull the halyard all the way up. I do a sanity check of all lines before pulling up the sock, clearing any twists or misrouted lines.

My tack does float higher that Tally Ho’s. The tack line runs down to a block on the anchor roller bracket and to a bow cleat. To keep the tack from blowing to leeward, especially on a reach, I have parrel beads to hold the tack close to the forestay.
Thanks for your description...very helpful...
 
Nov 5, 2021
13
Beneteau 331 Pensacola
Just rigging mine for the first time as well. I noticed you only use 1 sheet? Do you tie the sheet or use a snap shackle.
This was the first time. I was not certain I had the tack attached properly and my block at the top of the mast seems to be on the starboard side....anyway, I decided not to attempt a gybe until I get everything straightened out...hence only one sheet for flying it to starboard...
 
Nov 5, 2021
13
Beneteau 331 Pensacola
This was the first time. I was not certain I had the tack attached properly and my block at the top of the mast seems to be on the starboard side....anyway, I decided not to attempt a gybe until I get everything straightened out...hence only one sheet for flying it to starboard...
I was using a dyneema soft shackle to attach the sheet.
 
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Jan 7, 2011
5,463
Oday 322 East Chicago, IN
I watched your video and found it very interesting....what is that power meter you mention that monitors your batteries? I like that!
My battery monitor is an inexpensive on from Renogy.



it is not the most sophisticated monitor, but it gives me a good idea what is coming out or going into my batteries.

Greg
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,164
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
I have a sock, but I find it just adds another thing to do... but first.... how many crew? Are you singlehanding?
First, a gennaker works best with an adjustable tack line. Rig one from your bow roller, or install a wire or dyneema pendant on the stem fitting with a block on the upper end. One foot in height is adequate. The tackline should run back to the cockpit near a winch... there is a big load on this line, so a winch is needed, or some extra purchase.

Okay, this adjustable line allows you to rig the sail without going all the way to the bow. I keep it clipped to a stanchion around mid deck. I also keep the sheets clipped there, while the halyard is nearby on the mast ring. I actually set all this out when at the dock and plan the first hoist to use that side.
Anyway the sheets go a block all the way aft then back forward to a cleat. I have a pair of small winches for this purpose, but you can get along with any winch the line will reach. If I have crew, the trimmer will often bring the sheet across the cockpit to the windward side so he can get a good look at the luff of the sail. For that reason, make sure your sheets are long enough, at least double the boat length for sure.
One last thing, I highly recommend installing a pair of "twings" or "tweakers" on your sheets. These inexpensive little guys behave like "leads". Besides the angle change, they will keep the clew from bouncing and spilling air.

Setting: Bring the bag to the mid deck location on the leeward rail, turn down wind far enough to let the main shadow the sail. Call for the hoist, but first start "cheating" the tack forward. If you're short handed the driver might be able to handle the sheet or help with tack line, but the trimmer should concentrate on the halyard while the skipper maneuvers the boat to keep the sail from getting powered up before the tackline and sheet get loaded.

Dousing: There can be a couple strategies. In all cases the helmsman steers down to shadow the spinnaker.
--One is to pull the sail in under the boom(easier on smaller boats) with the clew sheet, where the crew can stay in the cockpit, but it must be under control... and even so the sail may get wet. Blow the halyard, haul the sheet, control release on the tackline to keep the foot under control.
--Normal takedown with crew on fore deck. Grab center of foot and start gathering as the cockpit crew controls the lines... The goal is to get the sail on deck and start stuffing the bag with the center first... hopefully leaving the three corners for last.
--You can also rig a "take down line"(I have one on my symmetrical chute, it's awesome). which allows the fore deck crew to simply pull down the sail from its center, under control, and neatly stuff the bag.
--And, of course, there's the sock. Which makes life easier when the sail is really large and the crew is not as large or agile to easily handle so much cloth. (like your wife or dad maybe:))

Finally, Perhaps the most important thing in all this is how the helmsman helps. Keeping the boat undercontrol, calling for the drop and hoist, letting crew know what is going to happen and when. Essentially, you're turning off the wind enough keep the sail from "popping" and overwhelming everybody, but not too much to keep the sail from billowing forward and wrapping around the forestay. Same thing on the takedown. Your goal is to keep the sail off the forestay and the shrouds.

Okay, that's my two cents. There are variations. Some folks like to put the bag on the pulpit, that's the way I was taught, but I took some classes and they set from the leeward side. Especially when using a pole and racing spinnaker. Stuff like that will vary. A lot will depend on your foredeck crew and their preferences. When I have new people, with no spinnaker experience at all, I will often flip the boat around in the slip pointing downwind but still tied to the dock. Then we can practice.... this is mainly for working with a pole.. but you could adapt it for gennaker practice too.
Good luck.
 
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Jun 9, 2008
15
hunter -- -
I like having a furler on my asymmetrical. It works great for single handing and can easily be "doused" and redeployed at will.
 
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BarryL

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May 21, 2004
1,057
Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 409 Mt. Sinai, NY
Hey,

How many crew will you have when you fly the gennaker? The set and douse are usually different if you're sailing with a crew of 6 vs 1 or 2.

If I had 1 or 2 crew I would use a sock. With a full crew the sock is too slow for racing but fine for cruising.

Barry
 
Jan 25, 2007
334
Cal Cal 33-2 cape cod
Thanks for videos, beautiful sails, we should all post more vids, I don’t use a sock, when the wind pipes up, it adds some dancing & colorful language to pull it in, all good though.