HEY Don,

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Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
For damn sure! :)

OD stands for One Design or Class Racing. All the boats will be identical and therefore there will be no handicap. Each class will have a published set of rules that everyone who races must live within. Any changes outside the rules invalidates your boat from competition in the class.
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
A slight clarification

One design racing CAN have handicaps. The reason is that all ODs are NOT the same. In our C34 Fleet One, ratings within the group are based on prop (folding, fixed), size of headsail (max 130, some have smaller ones), roller furling, height off the deck. Ratings vary from 157 to 187. I only wish they'd give me more time because of my barbecue and the dinghy engine on the pulpit! It's subtle, but it's worked for us. Many other classes do NOT have handicapping, and rely on the class rules to maintain "equality" between all the boats. For combination cruiser-racers, it's not always that easy. Other areas of the country have other ratings, but the idea is point out that even folks like us cruisers with a small jib can race with the "professionals."
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
Sorry to disagree Stu,

That is PHRF racing with adjustments made with the rating for variations between boats of similar kind. OD racing has absolutely no handicap, all boat must be identical or it is not One Design racing.
 

jimq26

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Jun 5, 2004
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Alan is correct as usual.

One Design is always same weight, same engine, same sails, same "everything". You are racing PHRF when there are any exceptions. Quite often a yacht club will say that they say they have a "fleet" of a particular boat, and may even give that fleet its own start, but that doesn't make it One Design.
 
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G. Bean, s/v Freya

Clarification of the C34 One Design Rule

Allow me to expand upon Stu’s note. Like other One Design (OD) fleets, The Catalina 34 International Association has a comprehensive one design rule to which all C34’s racing OD must adhere to. Our rule must cover boats produced over a twenty year production span, which encompasses numerous design evolutions that Catalina is so famous for. For example, 3 bladed propellers and furling jibs were mere options in the early production years and are now standard equipment. Our boats have also been built as either a standard or tall rig. We also recognize that our boats are bought primarily for pleasure sailing and cruising, which also influences our rule. For example, we do not allow modifications to the hull, exotic sail construction like the 3DL process and the boats cannot be stripped of their (cruising) interiors. Because our owners have purchased the C34 primarily for cruising and not racing, we do not need to have specific rules governing crew weight, number of sails carried, or age of inventory like racing classes such as the J-105’s. Those classes have standards to which builders must adhere to where as, we must adjust our rule to fit the design evolution of our manufacturer. PHRF is different in that it seeks to make adjustments that will allow fundamentally different boats to race against each other. It assumes that all of those boats are similarly equipped. Whereas our rule seeks to adjust for dissimilarly equipped boats within a single class. Our racing fleet is evenly divided between those who have optimized (within the OD rule) their boats for PHRF racing and those who have equipped their boats primarily for cruising. Our racing fleet philosophy is to welcome all types of racers from the PHRF campaigners to the weekend cruisers. One of the ways in which we were able to cast the net wide for participants is to offer generous adjustments to the basic PHRF number that makes the cruiser types more competitive with the racers than what the ordinary PHRF adjustments would have provided. For example, we adjust for roller furling headsails, tall rigs, fixed bladed propellers, and small (110% and smaller) headsails. Our data base spans twenty years and close to a hundred OD races which we review periodically as a committee to determine if changes to the adjustments are in order. The Northern California PHRF committee has consulted on our furling headsail adjustment as well as numerous propeller manufacturers on the drag coefficients for various types of propellers. As Stu said, our OD rule provides some generous adjustments. The net effect of our rule is to drive up the general competitiveness of our class. The top finishers in our OD tend to be at the top of their respective PHRF divisions and our cruisers, well, tend to be fast cruisers. We feel that our one design rule strengthens our class and is in keeping with the Corinthian nature of our sport. George Bean Chief Measurer, Catalina 34 International Association
 

Alan

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G. Bean

I understand your explanation for the C-34 racing fleet. It is commendable that you have found a method to INCREASE the number of participants in the sport of racing boats. Many fleets are having a hard time simply trying to hold on to those that they have. I have no argument for the system your fleet has put in place. It sounds like you guys have found a terrific formula to include those who may not otherwise participate. That said, One Design racing sets down a set of class rules that everyone in the class has to abide by to race in that class. The moment you introduce exceptions for various equipment changes you have introduced a 'handicap'. Therefore you start racing under a 'handicap system'. At that moment you no longer have a One Design class.
 
May 17, 2004
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Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
One Design Boats

The Long Beach YC (So Ca) aponsors a true one design race each year called the Congressional Cup. They have about 10 or 12 matched Catalina37 - I think they are 37' but could be wrong. Anyway skippers and crews come from all over the world to race in this event. They don't get the same boat each day. They rotate. The thing I liked about this race is that the start/finish line is right off the Belmont Pier so while standing at the end of the pier you are looking into the action. It is a very beautiful sight to see a matched set of boats go head to head with the most perfectly set sails you will ever see in your life.
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
Don

Next time you need to take some pics and post them. I'm sure lots of guys would love to see them, especially me!
 
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Chuck R

to see one design boat,,,,,,

All together like that has to be a sight to see. That is neat to have the pier for spectators to enjoy. On the great Lakes the ILYA.( Inner Lake Yachting Association ) has their regatta at PUT IN BAY, South Bass Island Ohio. These Bass Islands lay between Detroit Toledo and Cleveland On Lake Erie. There is maybe three hundred sailboats that race three days in August. Races for every class and size boats of every kind. So having all the same boats would certainly be neato.
 
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