Help-Unknown agent in water tank

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Thelma

Dear Peggy,
Mea Coulpa, Mea Coulpa! I thought that I had a bottle of Clorox that the label had come off. I should have smelled it first. I added about 2 to 3 ounces to my 35 gallon holding tank and then the odor hit me. This was some sort of paint thinner or solvent or some type of cleaning agent. As near as I can ascertain it floats on the surface and does not dissolve in water. This means that it will always be in my water tank because the drain tube is not flush with the bottom of the tank. At best there is always the thickness of the drain tube of water in the tank.

A friend suggested adding an oil dispersant to the tank and then flushing it. I am afraid to add anything else to the tank. The tank is fiberglass and does not have an access panel.

Your help is urgently needed.

Sincerely,
Thelma
 

BobM

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Jun 10, 2004
3,269
S2 9.2A Winthrop, MA
A chemist's perspective

If it is just the holding tank (sewage tank) don't sweat it. Just pump it out and flush it thoroughly with water.

If it is in your potable water tank get a cheap water filter with charcoal (may be labeled as odor / taste) cartridges. Install it in line after the pump. Now empty the water tank. The hydrocarbons will stick to the carbon so you don't pollute while you drain it. Now take your friends advice and add some dishwashing liquid (something like dawn) try for something fragrance free to reduce taste residue) to the tank fill it up. Then drain about a quarter and go for a sail / motor and pound through some wakes or waves to mix it around good.

Drain the soapy water, fill the tank with water and drain it again. Now close the water tank and add two 1.75L bottles of the cheapest vodka you can find to the tank. Fill the tank full again and then drain 1/4 and go for a sail again. The vodka will knock the foam of the soap allowing you to rinse the soap out of the tank. Drain and rinse again.

Replace the charcoal cartridge. It can't hurt to have one on your water system as it will only improve the quality of your water's smell and taste.

Oh, and I suggest you perhaps try this on a small scale first before going through all the effort. If you still have the stuff you dumped in, go through this using a water glass and then see if you see a sheen on the surface or if you could drink from the glass after you are done.

Good luck,

Bob
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
3,198
1976 formosa 41 yankee clipper santa barbara. ca.(not there)
another way to break the soap residue is vinegar..lol...dies a good job of removing soap scum and salt crystals.....
 
Dec 2, 1997
8,947
- - LIttle Rock
Don't even think of turning on your water pump!

You do not want this stuff in your fresh water plumbing...fresh water hoses are not resistant to permeation from solvents etc. If you want to follow Bob's instructions, remove the discharge hose from the tank and drain the water tank into the bilge...detergent will emulsify it and give you an excuse to really CLEAN the bilge for a change.

Then follow these instructions to recommission your system...which you should do every spring anyway:

The following recommendations conform to section 10.8 in the A-1 192 code covering electrical, plumbing, and heating of recreational vehicles. The solution is approved and recommended by competent health officials. It may be used in a new system a used one that has not been used for a period of time, or one that may have been contaminated.

Before beginning, turn off hot water heater at the breaker; do not turn it on again until the entire recommissioning is complete. Icemakers should be left running to allow cleaning out of the water feed line;
however the first two buckets of ice—the bucket generated during recommissioning and the first bucketful afterward--should be discarded…bleach does absolutely nothing to improve the flavor of good Scotch!

1. Prepare a chlorine solution using one gallon of water and 1/4 cup (2 oz or 25 ml) Clorox or Purex household bleach (5% sodium Hypochlorite solution ). With tank empty, pour chlorine solution into tank. Use one gallon of solution for each 5 gallons of tank capacity. (Those are the “official” directions. They work out to 1 quart or litre of bleach/50 gallons of water , which is MUCH easier to calculate!)

2. Complete filling of tank with fresh water. Open each faucet and drain cock until air has been released and the entire system is filled. Do not turn off the pump; it must remain on to keep the system pressurized and the solution in the lines

3. Allow to stand for at least three hours, but no longer than 24 hours.

4 Drain through every faucet on the boat (and if you haven't done this in a while, it's a good idea to remove any diffusion screens from the faucets, because what's likely to come out will clog them). Fill the tank again with fresh water only, drain again through every faucet on the boat.

5. To remove excess chlorine taste or odor which might remain, prepare a solution of one quart white vinegar to five gallons water and allow this solution to agitate in tank for several days by vessel motion.

6. Drain tank again through every faucet, and flush the lines again by filing the tank 1/4-1/2 full and again flushing with potable water.

People have expressed concern about using this method to recommission aluminum tanks. While bleach (chlorine) IS corrosive, it’s effects are are cumulative. So the effect of an annual or semi-annual "shock treatment" is negligible compared to the cumulative effect of holding chlorinated city water in the tank for years. Nevertheless, it's a good idea to mix the total amount of bleach in a few gallons of water before putting it into either a stainless or aluminum tank.

People have also expressed concern about the potential damage to rubber and neoprene water pump parts. Again—the cumulative effect of carrying chlorinated water is far more damaging over time than the occasional “shock treatment.” And it’s that cumulative effect that makes it a VERY bad idea to add a little bleach to each fill. Not only does it damage the system, but unless you add enough to make your water taste and smell like a laundry, it’s not enough to do any good. Even if it were, any “purifying” properties in chlorine evaporate within 24 hours, leaving behind only the corrosive properties.

An annual or semi-annual recommissioning according to the above directions is all that should be necessary to keep your water tasting and smelling as good as anything that comes out of any faucet on land. If you need to improve on that, install a water filter. Just remember that a filter is not a substitute for cleaning out the system, and that filters require regular inspection and cleaning or replacement.


To keep the water system cleaner longer, use your fresh water...keep water flowing through system. The molds, fungi, and bacteria only start to grow in hoses that aren't being used. Before filling the tank each time, always let the dock water run for at least 15 minutes first...the same critters that like the lines on your boat LOVE the dock supply line and your hose that sit in the warm sun, and you certainly don't want to transfer water that's been sitting in the dock supply line to your boat's system. So let the water run long enough to flush out all the water that's been standing in them so that what goes into your boat is coming straight from the water main.

 

BobM

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Jun 10, 2004
3,269
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Re: Steve, it is a 1985 Hunter 34

Which is also why the first step is to put a carbon / charcoal filter on the pump output. It will prevent the solvent from getting in your fresh water plumbing too. Regarding cleaning your bilge, it is a good idea in some boats, but for a boat like the S2 with the bilge under the engine (not a very eco friendly design), you need to be careful about what you do with the rinse water. In my case a couple of years ago my fuel tank leaked into my bilge and I could have risked a nice fine if I pumped it overboard.
 
Jun 10, 2004
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Hunter 30_74-83 Shelburne
You may want to think about diluting it as much as you can before draining it and doing peggy's recommended recommission. Also before you think of turning on the pump run a fill hose as far down the fill tube as you can get it (maybe a soft 1/2 dia hose with no fitting on the end) and let it fill the tank and overflow out the vent and deck fitting for a half an hour or so. Hopefully you'll get some turbulence all the way down in the tank and the solvent will mix with the overflowing water. Then drain through a low spot, hook back up to your pump and do the sterilization. Dilution is a solution.
 
Sep 25, 2008
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Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
The problem(s) are that chlorine (Clorox) may react with some solvents causing the formation of chlorinated hydrocarbons, some of which can be carcenogenic.

More importantly, chlorine disinfection will do nothing to remove solvent, petroleum or other hydrocarbon residue - it is a disinfectant only!

Use of the carbon filters typically found in marine or hardware stores is fine for removing taste in previously treated drinking water but would probably be useless in the presence of most solvents as they would quickly bind up available carbon surface and make the filter clog or otherwise ineffective. They are not intended for your purpose.

Dilution is simply that - it doesn't remove anything completely.

If you ever want to safely use this tank for potable water, the only reliable way to do so is remove it and thoroughly clean every surface with detergents and surfactants at which point flushing numerous times MIGHT make it safe.
There is only one good option here - pull and replace the tank
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
I would agree that the most important thing to do is to dilute the tank. I would run the tank into the bilge (gravity) while you have a fill hose going into the tank. I would let this run for 30-40 min. that way. The amount of solvent in the tank will be nil.

Then you can start on a through re-commissioing of the tank.

Seagull makes a nice high-efficency filter that would be a good idea to put on the output side of the tank. There are some filter from the Purestone that you should also check out.

http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-537-the-purestone-tp-1-replacement-cartridge.aspx
 
Dec 2, 1997
8,947
- - LIttle Rock
Ummmmm Don....

No one has suggested mixing chlorine with the solvent. Chlorine would be used to recommission the system AFTER the solvent has been flushed out. I think the first paragraph of my previous post makes that plain.

Nor has anyone recommended using the carbon filters typically found in marine or hardware stores. There are many types of filters.

And just 2-3 oz of solvent in 35 gallons of water wouldn't mandate replacing a PE tank...it certainly doesn't mandate replacing a fiberglass tank! Dilution, emulsification and filtering followed by recommissioning will solve the problem completely.
 
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