Help replacing rope clutches

weinie

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Sep 6, 2010
1,297
Jeanneau 349 port washington, ny
I would like to update an older Easylock rope clutch on my boat that has been slipping. It appears these things are just screwed into the fiberglass, not bolted through. The existing screws are really in tight. Assuming I get the old ones out, do I just screw in the new ones for the new clutch (assuming the holes line up)? It just seems odd that such piece of gear that has such force on it would just be screwed in.
 
Oct 26, 2008
6,240
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
I would thru bolt with backing (even if you just use washers). Are you replacing in kind or changing models? How hard is it to gain access to the underside?
 
Mar 1, 2012
2,182
1961 Rhodes Meridian 25 Texas coast
Personally I wouldn't dream of installing a rope clutch without through bolting..

Try heating the screw heads with a soldering gun- that may break loose whatever adhesive is in there.
 

weinie

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Sep 6, 2010
1,297
Jeanneau 349 port washington, ny
I would thru bolt with backing (even if you just use washers). Are you replacing in kind or changing models? How hard is it to gain access to the underside?
It's easy to access the underside...no problem there. My fear is that the original screws may have been cemented in somehow so when I try to unscrew them, I will just strip the flat screw head, and end up drilling the old ones out resulting in extra large holes that would have to be filled in with epoxy before I mount a new clutch.
 

Phil Herring

Alien
Mar 25, 1997
4,922
- - Bainbridge Island
The screws are tapped into a piece of aluminum that's encapsulated in the fiberglass.
 

weinie

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Sep 6, 2010
1,297
Jeanneau 349 port washington, ny
The screws are tapped into a piece of aluminum that's encapsulated in the fiberglass.
ahhhhh!

It appears rigrite is the company that still makes easylock clutches. The screw holes on the newer models are the same distance apart as the older models, which is good. Rather have spinlock which are probably better, not to mention cheaper though.

So it's just a matter of getting those screws out without tearing up the heads. Gonna need a very large flathead!
 
Apr 11, 2012
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Cataina 400 MK II Santa Cruz
You'll probably find them to be bolts, not screws, threaded into the embedded aluminum plate. Try some PB Blaster to help get it loose. If the new hole pattern does not match (which happened to me), use one hole, then drill and tap out the other. If you have never done this before, practice on a piece of scrap aluminum. I always use a practice hole (in the scrap aluminum), to make sure I've gotten the sizes correct. You will find that it is a very easy process.
 

weinie

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Sep 6, 2010
1,297
Jeanneau 349 port washington, ny
The spin lock holes will be exactly 7mm closer than the existing holes. If the screws are 1/4 inch the new hole may slightly overlap the new one.


Anyway, i guess the first step is to see if i can even loosen the existing screws.
 
Jan 22, 2008
8,050
Beneteau 323 Annapolis MD
Might be easier if you can just replace the "jaws" that grip the line?
 

mm2347

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Oct 21, 2008
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oday 222 niagara
a light but sharp hit to your screwdriver (the rite size for screw head) will sometimes break screw free. Ive had very good luck with an impact driver. This is a cylinder shaped, about 6 inch long, hand held tool. One end holds a socket and the top is flat and is hit with a hammer. The blow twists the socket end as well as forces the driver head tightly to the head of the screw or nut. The twist, pressure, and vibration usually gets it done. They are not very expensive or most small engine shops might have one that you could rent. If not and all Else fails use a drill bit close to the size of the screw head and drill-cut off just enough head to remove your part. This leaves enough of the screw to use a good pair of vice grips on to twist out the rest. When installing the new part you would be better off just to Thur drill and use bolts, nuts, and a backing plate. Last but not least--if there is ANY type of core drill an oversize hole and fill with a thick mixture of resin and milled fiber, then drill the proper size in the center and counter sink it and seal the bolt and part with butyl. This will not only protect from water but gives the area compression posts for support. Its not overkill. Its peace of mind to properly do a job that will not fail. (A 1% cat. polyester or vinyle ester resin then mixed with milled fiber to "just runs off the mixing stick thickness" will work as well as expoy and save some time and money. Any of the three however will produce a quality job)
 

mm2347

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Oct 21, 2008
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oday 222 niagara
Just thought of this. If the screws break off just make them flush to your surface and mount new part close-by
 

weinie

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Sep 6, 2010
1,297
Jeanneau 349 port washington, ny
Well, those screws are in real good! I used a humongous flat head screwdriver with a 1/2 inch wide tip and it wouldn't budge. PB blaster was no help either.:cussing:

Might try an impact driver next.
 

weinie

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Sep 6, 2010
1,297
Jeanneau 349 port washington, ny
Well, those screws are in real good! I used a humongous flat head screwdriver with a 1/2 inch wide tip and it wouldn't budge. PB blaster was no help either.:cussing:

Might try an impact driver next.
Well, tried the impact driver. Thought I was going to smash the whole coach roof apart! Screws didn't budge.

Arghhhh!!!!:cussing:
What shall i try next?
 

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
2,011
1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
I guess what I would do is just drill off the screw heads so you can remove the clutch and then just cut the screws flush. If they were indeed epoxied in you may try a mini torch directed at the screw to break down the epoxy. It's pretty risky though. I assembly my own golf clubs and use epoxy to join the head with the shaft. To dissemble, you apply heat to the hosel to break down the epoxy.
 

weinie

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Sep 6, 2010
1,297
Jeanneau 349 port washington, ny
I think the easiest solution will probably just to use a bigger diameter line.
 
Dec 14, 2003
1,423
Hunter 34 Lake of Two Mountains, QC, Can
The bolts are quite often 1/4 X 20 and as Phil said they are screwed into an aluminum backing plate encapsulated in the fiberglass. Quite often they are also backed under the lining with a big washer and a nut. That could explain why even the impact tool didn't work. PB blaster again and this time let it work overnight ! Or try some heat very carefully with a small butane torch on the nut inside (if there is one) then hit it with the impact tool. If no nut inside, you probably have so galling between the bolt and aluminum plate. If that is the case, I would carefully drill the head out starting with a tiny drill bit and increasing in size until the head has been removed on both bolts, then I would pull the clutch, cut off the bolts flush with the fiberglass, and install the new one forward or back of the cut-off bolts, in the same line so as to cover them, then drill and tap new ones. The other solution is to dissassemble the clutch and install new bushings (if the other parts are still in good condition) Good luck.
 

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
2,011
1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
I think the easiest solution will probably just to use a bigger diameter line.
Probably so...as long as it will accept larger line. At least you know now they are attached very well :) Are the teeth on the cams just worn down? Or is there slop where the cam pivots (worn down) where it's just not getting enough pressure on the rope?
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,161
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
I think the easiest solution will probably just to use a bigger diameter line.
I replaced all the cabin top cleats with Garhauer rope clutches a number of years ago. The holes aren't going to match up with your old one anyway... and, in my case, they were in the wrong place. You want the clutch a foot or more in front of the winch. I moved the winches as far aft as possible, then installed the clutches appropriately.

In your case.... remove the stopper however you can... heat, sawzall, grinder... whatever... because you will undoubtedly need to drill a new set of holes. Grind the bolts down to deck level and cover with resin, then gel or paint. Through bolt the new clutch, using big washers as backing.
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
I think I'd be trying to disassemble the clutch and get or make replacement parts. It can't be harder than taking the mounting bolts out and futzing with drilling new holes.