Heat Exchanger to Raw Water Pump Hose - An Adventure in Maintenance.

KZW

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May 17, 2014
831
Catalina 310 #307 Bluewater Bay, FL
Long story. Get something to drink and sit back. In August my Oberdorfer raw water pump started leaking water out of the weep holes. Universal M-25 XPB with 490 hours. The Obferdorfer was one of the first things I installed when I bought the boat in 2014 (sail no 307, built in 2005). I'm the third owner. The Sherwood pump that was on the engine started leaking, badly, just a month after I bought the boat. The engine had been newly painted just prior to going on the market. Careful inspection indicated the pump had been weeping for some time. The engine had 299 hours on it when I bought the boat. I'm not much of a mechanic so I sent the Oferdorfer to Deco Pump. They checked it out, put in new seals, and had it back to me within two weeks of me sending it out. It seems the silt in the water in my marina eats the seals.
I had to take the water hose from the raw water pump to the head exchanger off the pump to remove it. At that time I noted the end of the hose was cracked, split, and decaying. I cut it back about 1/4 inch to what seemed like good hose. On reinstalling the hose on the now overhauled pump, I found there was no good place to grab it and tug. It took a lot of effort and lots of adult language to get it onto the fitting. I tightened the clamp and started the engine. Water gushed out, even at idle. I made several attempts with no better result. The end of the hose was clearly decaying. I determined a new hose was needed. I measured the ID of the old hose and came up with 24mm, but it was difficult to be sure, given the decayed end of the hose. I checked the Universal M-25 manual, identified the part number, and ordered a pre-bent hose. See picture: Water Hose Comparison. It was a one-inch ID hose. It was 10 inches too short. I sent it back, and went to West Marine looking for 26 inches of 1-inch ID hose. They only had a remnant. It was 25 inches long. I took it. I got back to the boat and the hose slipped onto the fittings easily - too easily. The ID of the 1-inch ID hose was just a tad (less than 1/32) more than 1-inch. I then measured the fittings. I should have done this first!!! Turns out the fittings were 23.5mm diameter. I returned the 1-inch hose and bought 36- inches of 7/8 hose (they only sell it by the whole foot). The 7/8 hose is 22.3mm ID. I slipped two new hose clamps onto the hose. See picture: Water Hose Clamp. The old stainless clamp, at the heat exchanger end, was rusted/cracked on the side where it cannot be seen. Failure was iminent. Using a bit of liquid detergent, and effort, lots of adult language, and a small set of channel locks for purchase, the hose finally went onto the pump fitting. There is no good place to grab it unless the alternator is removed. I was not inclined to do that. After carefully measuring - twice; then taking a break and measuring again, I cut the hose with a knife and used cutters to clip the reinforcing wire at the heat exchanger end. I note this end is about 5 inches from the head bulkhead and access is "confined". It went onto the fitting with a bit less effort than the other end. Inspection of the old hose revealed it was severely worn where it apparently came in contact with the alternator. Again, this is a location that cannot be easily seen without some disassembly of the engine. The reinforcing wire can clearly be seen. It too would have failed - soon. See picture: Water Hose Damaged. On test running the engine, I'm pleased to report no water leakage - I can now motor out, and back into, the marina again.
 

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Mar 6, 2008
331
Catalina 310 Scott Creek, VA
sometimes it helps to soak the very end of the hose in boiling water to soften up the rubber just prior to installation, but don't soak to far up the hose or it gets floppy and hard to push on.
 
Jan 19, 2010
1,171
Catalina 34 Casco Bay
Silt in the water is never good for those shaft seals. You may want to install a household (well) cartridge filter after the strainer.. Don't skimp on the size. Get the whole house filter that has a gallonage rating greater than your raw water needs.
 
Apr 5, 2017
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Catalina 310 Huntington, NY
Just getting ready to jump back into readying the boat for service and appreciated your advice about the size of the hoses and the suggestion for the hot water warm up. I will let you know how I make out. Thanks.
 
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Mar 6, 2008
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Catalina 1999 C36 MKII #1787 Coyote Point Marina, CA.
I am glad for the successful ending. The size of the hose is labeled on the hose, if you are not sure take the hose with you when purchasing a new hose.
For $60.00 you can replace the seals yourself with minimal tools and save money. Visit my website and view the album. I used steering wheel puller to remove and insert the seals.
 
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Jan 19, 2010
1,171
Catalina 34 Casco Bay
Just getting ready to jump back into readying the boat for service and appreciated your advice about the size of the hoses and the suggestion for the hot water warm up. I will let you know how I make out. Thanks.
Hose size is dictated by the barbs that they are sliding onto. Having said that, ones needs to guard against the inept PO that seeks to save a few cents by downsizing critical components.. Working backwards, the heat exchanger should be what sets your standard. What ever size hose is the proper fit is what you need in place going in both directions.
 

Tom J

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Sep 30, 2008
2,305
Catalina 310 Quincy, MA
I replaced the same hose on my M25XPB some years ago. It was part of a kit to replace all the raw water hoses. I found it necessary to remove the alternator, since the hose to the heat exchanger was pre-bent and could not be threaded around parts on the engine. Like you, I found that one end of the hose, the pump end, fit tightly, but the end on the HX was a loose fit. It took a lot of tightening on the double clamps at the HX to make it water tight.
The pre-bent hose is necessary to avoid the hose rubbing on the alternator and other parts.
 

Tom J

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Sep 30, 2008
2,305
Catalina 310 Quincy, MA
I should have said the hose kit was for all the engine hoses. I had to drain the coolant and remove the coolant pump to replace the coolant hoses. Well worth the extra effort.