Has anyone repaced their head. I am looking to do this soon. (the next day I can not sail) I am replacing it based on the information in the archives of this and other forum. The rebuild kit was about $50 and the completely new one was about $100. I have purchased a Jabsco bowl to relace the original head on my Cat 27 (1975). If anybody has done this I would appriciate any pointers that you can offer. "Kid Napper" Skip
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Peggie Hall/Head Mistress
Not difficult
First, close the intake (and discharge, if you have one) seacock. Disconnect the hoses from the toilet. Remove the mounting bolts. Lift out the toilet. Fill the holes left by the mounting bolts--even if the ones on the new toilet are an exact match--to give the new ones something to bite into. That makes sure the toilet won't wobble. Bolt down the new toilet...reconnect the hoses...and you're done. You said you bought a Jabsco bowl...did you ONLY buy the bowl? Or a whole new toilet? If just the bowl, why?
First, close the intake (and discharge, if you have one) seacock. Disconnect the hoses from the toilet. Remove the mounting bolts. Lift out the toilet. Fill the holes left by the mounting bolts--even if the ones on the new toilet are an exact match--to give the new ones something to bite into. That makes sure the toilet won't wobble. Bolt down the new toilet...reconnect the hoses...and you're done. You said you bought a Jabsco bowl...did you ONLY buy the bowl? Or a whole new toilet? If just the bowl, why?
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Chris Gonzales
New head
Skip, I recently replaced the head on my '79 C30. Only two of the four holes lined up so filled two and drilled two. I filled all six holes with Sikaflex for waterproofing and used 4 stainless lag screws a little larger than the originals for a good bite. Now would be a good time to change your old discharge hose to eliminate permeation odor. I didn't do mine earlier but I am going to soon. It is the old ugly black hose and the white one will look better. Chris
Skip, I recently replaced the head on my '79 C30. Only two of the four holes lined up so filled two and drilled two. I filled all six holes with Sikaflex for waterproofing and used 4 stainless lag screws a little larger than the originals for a good bite. Now would be a good time to change your old discharge hose to eliminate permeation odor. I didn't do mine earlier but I am going to soon. It is the old ugly black hose and the white one will look better. Chris
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Peggie Hall/Head Mistress
Chris, looks are the last thing that matters
when it comes to sanitation hose. The only thing that does matter is resistance to odor permeation. In fact, cosmetics should be at the bottom of the list--if they should even be ON the list at all--when it comes to just about all the equipment on a boat. The only important considerations are reliability, ready access to those who use it, and the safety of the vessel and its crew.
when it comes to sanitation hose. The only thing that does matter is resistance to odor permeation. In fact, cosmetics should be at the bottom of the list--if they should even be ON the list at all--when it comes to just about all the equipment on a boat. The only important considerations are reliability, ready access to those who use it, and the safety of the vessel and its crew.
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Chris Gonzales
Looks DO matter
Peggy, Are you saying that if you can replace a piece of equipment that does the job AND looks better you wouldn't do so? Don't you realize that MANY of the items we replace on our boats are because of looks and not necessarily just for safety or function? For example, my lifelines work perfectly fine but I am going to buy all new because they will look nice and new and white. I certainly wouldn't replace them with inferior quality nor would replace them with something less attractive! Amother point: couldn't you consider odor as a "cosmetic" problem? A little smell from permeated hoses is not going to make the boat less safe or sail worse, but we choose to eliminate it. How about some attractive new cushions below decks, nicely oiled teak or freshly painted topsides? How important are they? As I sit here thinking I realize there are dozens of things about owning a sailboat and sailing it that completely contradict your statement: "in fact, cosmetics should be at the bottom of the list--if they should even be ON the list at all--when it comes to just about all the equipment on a boat". Looks DO matter. And in some ways they are at the TOP of the list, not the bottom, and one of the major enjoyments of a sailboat. A properly maintained sailing yacht is a thing of beauty whether sailing under perfectly trimmed sails or sitting pretty in the marina. Chris
Peggy, Are you saying that if you can replace a piece of equipment that does the job AND looks better you wouldn't do so? Don't you realize that MANY of the items we replace on our boats are because of looks and not necessarily just for safety or function? For example, my lifelines work perfectly fine but I am going to buy all new because they will look nice and new and white. I certainly wouldn't replace them with inferior quality nor would replace them with something less attractive! Amother point: couldn't you consider odor as a "cosmetic" problem? A little smell from permeated hoses is not going to make the boat less safe or sail worse, but we choose to eliminate it. How about some attractive new cushions below decks, nicely oiled teak or freshly painted topsides? How important are they? As I sit here thinking I realize there are dozens of things about owning a sailboat and sailing it that completely contradict your statement: "in fact, cosmetics should be at the bottom of the list--if they should even be ON the list at all--when it comes to just about all the equipment on a boat". Looks DO matter. And in some ways they are at the TOP of the list, not the bottom, and one of the major enjoyments of a sailboat. A properly maintained sailing yacht is a thing of beauty whether sailing under perfectly trimmed sails or sitting pretty in the marina. Chris
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Peggie Hall/Head Mistress
You misunderstood my point
Choosing white sanitation hose over blackJUST because it looks better is a bad choice...the right choice is whatever is most odor permeation resistant regardless of what it looks like. If it happens to be white, fine. Seacocks are anything BUT "decor enhancers," but burying 'em out of sight under settees and berths (which is where most builders put them these days--BECAUSE they detract from the decor--makes access to them a major PITA...and encourages boat owners to just leave them open all the time, which is unsafe, because it's more trouble than it's worth to keep opening and closing them as needed. Those are just two things on a long list. Of course we all want our boats to be as attractive as possible...but I think both boat builders and boat owners lose sight of the fact that it IS a boat. The the safety of the vessel and its crew, not whether any piece of equipment enhances the decor, should come first...then--choosing what to buy and where to to install it, using ONLY that criteria--make it the most attractive BOAT it can be...without regard for whether it's also the best looking floating condo. And to answer your question--Yes, odor detracts from a boat's "decor" more than ANYthing else IMHO...which is what prompted me to write my first reply... To hell with whether the hose coming out of the toilet is attractive or not... no hose that stinks is attractive...ANY hose that doesn't, is just gorgeous.
Choosing white sanitation hose over blackJUST because it looks better is a bad choice...the right choice is whatever is most odor permeation resistant regardless of what it looks like. If it happens to be white, fine. Seacocks are anything BUT "decor enhancers," but burying 'em out of sight under settees and berths (which is where most builders put them these days--BECAUSE they detract from the decor--makes access to them a major PITA...and encourages boat owners to just leave them open all the time, which is unsafe, because it's more trouble than it's worth to keep opening and closing them as needed. Those are just two things on a long list. Of course we all want our boats to be as attractive as possible...but I think both boat builders and boat owners lose sight of the fact that it IS a boat. The the safety of the vessel and its crew, not whether any piece of equipment enhances the decor, should come first...then--choosing what to buy and where to to install it, using ONLY that criteria--make it the most attractive BOAT it can be...without regard for whether it's also the best looking floating condo. And to answer your question--Yes, odor detracts from a boat's "decor" more than ANYthing else IMHO...which is what prompted me to write my first reply... To hell with whether the hose coming out of the toilet is attractive or not... no hose that stinks is attractive...ANY hose that doesn't, is just gorgeous.
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