Head acting like blocked up

Gdindy

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Jul 11, 2007
44
Hunter 410 Washington Park Marina, Michigan City, Indiana
I have a 2001 410 with electric Eco Vac heads. Just recently the forward head pump located under the forward berth began running non stop and when the toilet was flushed acted as if it was not draining or sucking out as normal. Acts as if partially blocked. I just did a pump out so does not seem to be the issue. Have used this head for a few week ends since picked up from winterization. Is there a recommended way to clear the lines if there is partial blockage or does this sound like s different issue? Any suggestions appreciated.
 
Dec 2, 1997
8,966
- - LIttle Rock
The EcoVac was a version of the SeaLand VacuFlush toilet. The owners manual includes an extensive troubleshooting that covers just about every symptom, probable causes and cures that a VacuFlush can develop. You can download it from here:
http://media.channelblade.com/EProWebsiteMedia/3506/Eco Vac Toilet owners manual.pdf

I'm also gonna email you a piece that I wrote called "VacuFlush 101" that explains how the VacuFlush system works (most owners don't actually know) and how to avoid problems with it.
 

Rick

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Oct 5, 2004
1,098
Hunter 420 Passage San Diego
You got a couple of "most common" choices and both are messy unfortunately. I worked with Peggy bout five years ago when I rebuilt mine. So my take and 10 years of owning a Vacuflush is. Right below the ball valve where the waste path goes, it makes a 90 degree turn, toilet paper that didnt quite desolve can get stuck. Its a small hole. Bernoulis Theory backwards~ Waste that stays in the toilet when you flush, is usually what I am about to describe. And unclogging involves undoing the line that goes into the bottom of the toilet, because it is very hard to get anything down in there to release the clog. I will cut off pump and water pressure, bail out and soak up all the water in toilet cuz anything left is gonna wind up on your floor and on your shoes so be ready! Then I carefully push what I can back into the toilet and get a pair of forceps, or needle nose, hold the ball valve open and dig it out bit by bit. The other place is at the duckbill valves. There are two upstream and downstream, right before and after the pump in the lines. If everything hits at once it can hang up in them and they will not close. Thus, three seconds for #1 and at least ten seconds for #2. The duckbill valves must close for the vacuum to build back up. They get rounded over time also. How long since you changed them out? Not a difficult job if your pump is easy to get too. Finally(just remembered this one), although not that common, if your plumbing makes a tight 180 or 90 degree turn on the way to the vacuum tank, lines can get soft and collapse or kink just alike a garden hose. The little pump builds up a lot of vacuum. Been there seen that on a slipmates head.

So those places are the most common for a clog. The duckbill valves are a culprit for a pump that wont shut off, but generally with the assumption that the head flushed first. Also on a side note, if your ball valve is not sealing, the pump will run and vacuum will not build up but not very common.

When you flush, is the water just sitting?

Good news is your pump is running and IMHO, they are just about indestructable. And some times you get lucky if you just let it sit for a while and get soft.

Hopefully no one flushed anything but TP(single ply or marine grade) and body waste. If a feminine product went down it, or a face wipe, paper towel, etc, good luck.

Hope this helps. THe most important safety brief you can give to guests is where the life jackets are and how to USE the head!

Edit. If you do choose to investigate, wear rubber gloves, have plenty of paper towels or rags ready and in place below lines going into pumps etc, cause you dont want fluid from lines getting into places where it cant get cleaned up. I personally cut a piece of a plastic bag to work as a tarp and then put rags on top. That way hopefully nothing gets on any surfaces or you get a boat that smells like a head! Plastic bags to immediately put stuff in. And dont forget to wipe down your tools when your done! Also, a first mate with camera in hand taking pics while you take it apart can be helpful. Also, if the installers didnt double clamp all the lines, now is a good time to do that.
 

Gdindy

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Jul 11, 2007
44
Hunter 410 Washington Park Marina, Michigan City, Indiana
Thank you all for your reply, I'm embarrassed to say when I tapped the pump it stopped and has not acted up since. Thank you for all your suggestions and the EcoVac manual is invaluable !!
 
Dec 2, 1997
8,966
- - LIttle Rock
Right below the ball valve where the waste path goes, it makes a 90 degree turn, toilet paper that didnt quite desolve can get stuck. Its a small hole. Bernoulis Theory backwards~ Waste that stays in the toilet when you flush, is usually what I am about to describe. And unclogging involves.....
None of which would ever be necessary if at least a pint of water is added to the bowl ahead of ANY TP...at least a quart/liter ahead of solids. 90% of VacuFlush (the EcoVac is a compact version of a VacuFlush) problems are user inflicted by failing to put enough water through it when flushing. The pedal (or flush button on some newer models) should stay down for at least a full 3 seconds when flushing urine only...and 7-10 seconds when flushing ANY TP and/or solids. Any less let's solids and TP build up in 90 degree turns and the vacuum pump.