Did anyone else but me notice the new Cruising World mag's striking similarity between the first new HC50 ad's for Hunter and the artists drawing of what a future hull would look like later in the magazine article about hull design and the future. If you look at Hunter's ad then spin forward to the article where designers talk about the future, the artists concepts of the future of modern hull design looks just like the new HC50 minus the futuristic appendages underneath the water!. Wonder how the ole full keel group feels about that? By the ay this is not to start a fight of to denegrte any group of sailors, just an observation. Bob
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I noticed that too
It was striking - a quite a surprise that a bunch of mainstream designers would see the future this way. It's interesting, though: I've seen letters from some full-keel type designers/builders supporting (and in some cases congratulating) Hunter on the innovations they've brought to boat building. I find it interesting, too, that the sailing public doesn't always see it the same way.
It was striking - a quite a surprise that a bunch of mainstream designers would see the future this way. It's interesting, though: I've seen letters from some full-keel type designers/builders supporting (and in some cases congratulating) Hunter on the innovations they've brought to boat building. I find it interesting, too, that the sailing public doesn't always see it the same way.
Phil, who builds full keels today ?
The BCC is still being built, of course. Island Packets have full keels, but don't appeal to the traditional sailing crowd. The Cabo Rico might be called a full keel, stretching it a bit. Except for these, what other existing production builder has full-keel models? Not custom builts, but production models. I am sitting here scratching my head, and haven't been able to extend the list. Are there really only two and a half?
The BCC is still being built, of course. Island Packets have full keels, but don't appeal to the traditional sailing crowd. The Cabo Rico might be called a full keel, stretching it a bit. Except for these, what other existing production builder has full-keel models? Not custom builts, but production models. I am sitting here scratching my head, and haven't been able to extend the list. Are there really only two and a half?
It's the boat you have got.
What I have found with boaters is most of the time it's the boat you own is the type you think is the best. Most of the time someone will not say that their boat is junk and that they should of gotten Brand B. What I find funny is most of the Hunter bashing (and I will use the Crusing World BBS) is from people who own a boat that was built in the 70's. I find it hard to believe that the older boats are better to go off crusing than something designed in the later 80's or 90's. Look at houses, the older houses are built pretty strong. I once had a house that real 4x8's for the floor beams. It was built pretty strong. The cabnets were really ruff and you could roll a marble across the floor with out any effort. The windows let in alot of air and it was hard to heat. Does it make it a better house that was newer? The design was better and more updated. It may only have 4x6's for the floor. I thought the new Hunter was pretty cool looking. I would like to see the price for it. what someone needs to do is take off crusing and write about how fast they go and how easy it was to crew with only 2 people. It might make some people take notice. Make sure you are good at working on your watermaker as it only holds 50 gallons.
What I have found with boaters is most of the time it's the boat you own is the type you think is the best. Most of the time someone will not say that their boat is junk and that they should of gotten Brand B. What I find funny is most of the Hunter bashing (and I will use the Crusing World BBS) is from people who own a boat that was built in the 70's. I find it hard to believe that the older boats are better to go off crusing than something designed in the later 80's or 90's. Look at houses, the older houses are built pretty strong. I once had a house that real 4x8's for the floor beams. It was built pretty strong. The cabnets were really ruff and you could roll a marble across the floor with out any effort. The windows let in alot of air and it was hard to heat. Does it make it a better house that was newer? The design was better and more updated. It may only have 4x6's for the floor. I thought the new Hunter was pretty cool looking. I would like to see the price for it. what someone needs to do is take off crusing and write about how fast they go and how easy it was to crew with only 2 people. It might make some people take notice. Make sure you are good at working on your watermaker as it only holds 50 gallons.
Good question
I'm not really sure (my comment was more about the builders' attitudes rather than their actual keel designs). How about Shannon and Gozzard? I'm not sure what they put under their hulls, but they seem likely candidates. Are we missing any?
I'm not really sure (my comment was more about the builders' attitudes rather than their actual keel designs). How about Shannon and Gozzard? I'm not sure what they put under their hulls, but they seem likely candidates. Are we missing any?
Jumpin on in
Hey, you know what at a price tag of $415,000 US we thought we would leave some room for custom solutions. You can go for the 150 gal of fresh water and 50 gals of fuel. The first boat is configuered the way it is because it's owner decided thats the way he wanted it. The hull doesn't have to be red either and...well we will build the boat just about anyway you want not moving the major bulkheads etc. Full keel boat builders lets see. Britannia Boats, Crabber 24, and 30 Cabo Rico...kinda does Caliber...it's a streach to call it full keeled Gozzard the same these boats have long keels Little Harbor and Hood come close but then not really they have cut away forefoot. How about the Block Island 40 Pacific Seacraft Flicka 20 and Dana 24 Phoenician Yachts In Tenn. build the Spray series 33, 38, and 45 full keel... Hell Yea! The Nauticat 44. Thats all I can find. JB
Hey, you know what at a price tag of $415,000 US we thought we would leave some room for custom solutions. You can go for the 150 gal of fresh water and 50 gals of fuel. The first boat is configuered the way it is because it's owner decided thats the way he wanted it. The hull doesn't have to be red either and...well we will build the boat just about anyway you want not moving the major bulkheads etc. Full keel boat builders lets see. Britannia Boats, Crabber 24, and 30 Cabo Rico...kinda does Caliber...it's a streach to call it full keeled Gozzard the same these boats have long keels Little Harbor and Hood come close but then not really they have cut away forefoot. How about the Block Island 40 Pacific Seacraft Flicka 20 and Dana 24 Phoenician Yachts In Tenn. build the Spray series 33, 38, and 45 full keel... Hell Yea! The Nauticat 44. Thats all I can find. JB
Pacific Seacraft no longer builds Dana or Flicka
The smallest yacht they now build is the PS 34. All Shannons in recent years are a cruising fin, as are the Little Harbors for which I have seen specs. As you point out, Gozzards and Calibers also use long fins. But I had not remembered the others, and had never heard of Phoenicia. And I just thought of another, Robinhood.
The smallest yacht they now build is the PS 34. All Shannons in recent years are a cruising fin, as are the Little Harbors for which I have seen specs. As you point out, Gozzards and Calibers also use long fins. But I had not remembered the others, and had never heard of Phoenicia. And I just thought of another, Robinhood.
I'll pass
I guess I am going to pass on buying a new H50. I am sure that it is worth that just more than I can pay. It sure would be fun to go fast. Can't wait to hear how fast it goes.
I guess I am going to pass on buying a new H50. I am sure that it is worth that just more than I can pay. It sure would be fun to go fast. Can't wait to hear how fast it goes.
hc50 thread on cwbb
i started the discussion of the hc50 on the cwbb and it generated some interesting (and quite civil) discussion...the hc 50 certainly will not be everyone's cup of tea, but it predict it will generate tremendous respect for hunter as a company within the cruising community....these are people (hunter) that are willing to get out on the edge and take a risk with an advanced boat....i predict that even if the hc50 isn't a hit (which it may well be) it will generate sales of other hunter boats...congratulations to all involved in the hc50 project!!... bob
i started the discussion of the hc50 on the cwbb and it generated some interesting (and quite civil) discussion...the hc 50 certainly will not be everyone's cup of tea, but it predict it will generate tremendous respect for hunter as a company within the cruising community....these are people (hunter) that are willing to get out on the edge and take a risk with an advanced boat....i predict that even if the hc50 isn't a hit (which it may well be) it will generate sales of other hunter boats...congratulations to all involved in the hc50 project!!... bob
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