Halman 27
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IMHO it’s a coastal or lake cruiser.
How do you define “blue water”? For inspected vessel operations the USCG defines “ocean” as 20+ nm, and “near shore” is within 200nm.
I just looked it up and the Halman 27 is a fairly light boat with about 1/3 of the design displacement as ballast. With a 30-gallon water tank and 10-gallon fuel tank how far would you plan to cruise? How much extra fuel and water and other provisions would you be able to carry in that size boat without compromising positive stability?
People have successfully crossed oceans in specially prepared boats that are much smaller, but there is no clear line to be drawn on your question.
How do you define “blue water”? For inspected vessel operations the USCG defines “ocean” as 20+ nm, and “near shore” is within 200nm.
I just looked it up and the Halman 27 is a fairly light boat with about 1/3 of the design displacement as ballast. With a 30-gallon water tank and 10-gallon fuel tank how far would you plan to cruise? How much extra fuel and water and other provisions would you be able to carry in that size boat without compromising positive stability?
People have successfully crossed oceans in specially prepared boats that are much smaller, but there is no clear line to be drawn on your question.
There is no generally agreed upon definition of "blue water boat." It is more of a concept and a dreamer's notion than a term with any specification.
A boat is a tool, a device to transport you or to provide you with some pleasure. When considering a boat purchase it is best to start with how do you intend to use it? What will this tool do for you? Where do you intend to use it? How are you going to support it and maintain it? With answers to these questions you the boats that will serve your purposes will become clearer.
Boat length is only one factor to consider. A 27' boat of most any make would not be one I would consider for ocean crossing. It will be slow, meaning more time exposed to ocean weather. It will lack storage, essential for food and supplies, spare parts, water, and fuel, it will lack space for adequate solar power. It will be uncomfortable and cramped, not a space to which I'd want to be confined for several days during an ocean storm. Of course your tolerance for these conditions might be different from mine.
Many years ago, Webb Chiles made it ¾ of the way around the world in an 18 foot open sail boat, a Drascombe Luger. More recently he circumnavigated in a Moore 24, a very light weight boat designed more for buoy racing that ocean crossing. He does write about his experiences online, it would be worth reading.
On this issue, I recommend reading Roger Marshall's "Choosing a Cruising Sailboat."
IMHO, the Halman 27 was clearly not designed as a blue water boat. I compared it to our 75-84 Hunter 27, and to a Contessa 32 which is a well known blue water design. Here are some relevant ratios, and comments:
Capsize screen. here are different opinions about this ratio, but If a designer designs a boat with a capsize screen above 2.0, that designer is clearly saying this design is not intended for ocean crossing cruises. The Halman 27 Capsize Screen is 2.01, the Hunter 27 - 1.94, and the Contessa 32 - 1.80.
Comfort is key to long cruises away from shore. Again, the Halman 27 has a low comfort ratio of 21.89. Hunter 27 - 23.73. Contessa 32 - 27.7. The Sailboat Cruising website says that 30 is the minimum for a blue water yacht, so the Contessa 32 falls a little short, and the two 27's are not really in the game. At 31.91, the Hunter 37c is an example of a boat that makes the grade.
At 32%, the Halman's ballast to displacement ratio shouts Coastal cruiser! Hunter 37 - 43%, Contessa 32 - 47%.
Length is important for the comfort ratio, the capsize screen, for average speed through the water, and for living and storage space. Marshall's idea of a blue water Voyager is 45 to 47 feet. The Contessa 32 has made many blue water passages with excellent comments. While the Admiral and I have cruised the Great Lakes on our Hunter 27 for months at a time, the longest we have gone away from a port is around a week. We might find 27 feet a little confining, if we could not get out and walk around ashore. And I would definitely question our storage capacity for cruising over a month. If I were outfitting for blue water cruising, I would like a boat like the Hunter 37c. Its more flexible cutter sail plan is another reason to like it.
IMHO, the Halman 27 was clearly not designed as a blue water boat. I compared it to our 75-84 Hunter 27, and to a Contessa 32 which is a well known blue water design. Here are some relevant ratios, and comments:
Capsize screen. here are different opinions about this ratio, but If a designer designs a boat with a capsize screen above 2.0, that designer is clearly saying this design is not intended for ocean crossing cruises. The Halman 27 Capsize Screen is 2.01, the Hunter 27 - 1.94, and the Contessa 32 - 1.80.
Comfort is key to long cruises away from shore. Again, the Halman 27 has a low comfort ratio of 21.89. Hunter 27 - 23.73. Contessa 32 - 27.7. The Sailboat Cruising website says that 30 is the minimum for a blue water yacht, so the Contessa 32 falls a little short, and the two 27's are not really in the game. At 31.91, the Hunter 37c is an example of a boat that makes the grade.
At 32%, the Halman's ballast to displacement ratio shouts Coastal cruiser! Hunter 37 - 43%, Contessa 32 - 47%.
Length is important for the comfort ratio, the capsize screen, for average speed through the water, and for living and storage space. Marshall's idea of a blue water Voyager is 45 to 47 feet. The Contessa 32 has made many blue water passages with excellent comments. While the Admiral and I have cruised the Great Lakes on our Hunter 27 for months at a time, the longest we have gone away from a port is around a week. We might find 27 feet a little confining, if we could not get out and walk around ashore. And I would definitely question our storage capacity for cruising over a month. If I were outfitting for blue water cruising, I would like a boat like the Hunter 37c. Its more flexible cutter sail plan is another reason to like it.
It's a nice looking boat.
I only have the pic from SBD.com and the stats. When the PO asks about blue water capability we assume it would be short handed voyage because of the size. I would like a long keel for that for sea kindliness and good tracking. Also a smaller cockpit. And it does appear to be a little tender (Based on the photo). It is short tankage.
On the good side I think there is combing rather than a toe rail. It can be a cutter rig.
I only have the pic from SBD.com and the stats. When the PO asks about blue water capability we assume it would be short handed voyage because of the size. I would like a long keel for that for sea kindliness and good tracking. Also a smaller cockpit. And it does appear to be a little tender (Based on the photo). It is short tankage.
On the good side I think there is combing rather than a toe rail. It can be a cutter rig.
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- Oct 22, 2014
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OPINION> Coastal Cruiser.
Sailboat data helps to identify metrics. These can be used to compare different boats and their capabilities. As soon as you use the data someone will object and say I saw a boat like that sail across the"XXALANTPACXX"
Sailboat Calculations
Bal./Disp.: 32.14
Disp./Len.: 257.25
Comfort Ratio: 21.89
Capsize Screening Formula: 2.01
Check out the Definitions shown at the link below to help you understand them.
sailboatdata.com
As you sail different boats you will discover even small boats have sailed across oceans. Not all of the boats that have attempted to sail in an ocean were prepared to take that adventure. They usually are found beneath the sea.
Watch the movie "True Spirit" it might help you gain perspective on this subject. To cross an ocean it can be the boat but of equal or greater importance it is the skipper and crew that makes the journey successful.
Sailboat data helps to identify metrics. These can be used to compare different boats and their capabilities. As soon as you use the data someone will object and say I saw a boat like that sail across the"XXALANTPACXX"
Sailboat Calculations
Bal./Disp.: 32.14
Disp./Len.: 257.25
Comfort Ratio: 21.89
Capsize Screening Formula: 2.01
Check out the Definitions shown at the link below to help you understand them.
HALMAN HORIZON - sailboatdata
Micheal Volmer was CEO of Halman Manufacturing Co. A few boats (as above) were rigged as cutters. Also called HALMAN 27.
sailboatdata.com
As you sail different boats you will discover even small boats have sailed across oceans. Not all of the boats that have attempted to sail in an ocean were prepared to take that adventure. They usually are found beneath the sea.
Watch the movie "True Spirit" it might help you gain perspective on this subject. To cross an ocean it can be the boat but of equal or greater importance it is the skipper and crew that makes the journey successful.