H430 Sails

[Jeff10528]

I am in the process of buying new sails for my 1997 H430. I have both a printed Owners Manual and a copy I downloaded from the Internet, source forgotten. Both sources show the same sailplan which is for the H430 but for a traditional main vs in-mast furling. My current sails were by UK and are blown out. The only plans that UK can verify are for the Legend 42.5.

My only concern is that the main measurements are somewhat different than the drawings I have.

Does anyone out there have a drawing with measurments for an in-mast furling main for the H430 that can be emailed to me? Please send to Jeffery.melin@gmail.com.

Thanks,

Jeff

 

[Phil Herring]

Hi Jeff,

Any loft worth their salt will want to design the sail to fit your rig. They won't care about what UK designed for the boat because they'll have their own design philosophy; even the UK loft here in the US will want to approach it that way.

OEM sails are usually built to meet a price point so you'll get a better sail out of the deal, too. If you use a local loft they'll come out to your boat to measure and if you purchase one online you'll have to take a tape measure to your rig, but that's not difficult.

There are many good lofts who can make a terrific sail for you, and we can give you an instant price quote here as well:

http://shop.hunterowners.com/detail-sails.htm

 

[Jeff10528]

Phil and all, thanks for your reply. I apologize for a typo in my email address, correct is jeffrey. Melin@gmail.com . If you sent any info would you please resend?

Thanks

 

[Jeff10528]

Hi Jeff, Any loft worth their salt will want to design the sail to fit your rig. They won't care about what UK designed for the boat because they'll have their own design philosophy; even the UK loft here in the US will want to approach it that way. OEM sails are usually built to meet a price point so you'll get a better sail out of the deal, too. If you use a local loft they'll come out to your boat to measure and if you purchase one online you'll have to take a tape measure to your rig, but that's not difficult. There are many good lofts who can make a terrific sail for you, and we can give you an instant price quote here as well: http://shop.hunterowners.com/detail-sails.htm

A couple questions remain as UK only suggested Legend 42.5 as similar (not included in your table of models/ IJPE). My manual and ref table are exactly the same. UK rep has measured my sails on his shop floor. Following are comparative measurments, (Hunter's first): I- 50/50, J- 15' 9.5"/ 15' 9.5", P- 50'/ 53' 3.5", E- 17' 9"/ 18' 9.5".

When I view my main at full hoist, a significant scallop ( reverse roach) is visible in the leach. I attribute this to be directly due to the extensions of dimensions P and E. Is this extreme for even a 15 YO sail? What guarantees this will not happen to another sail and how quickly?

Second Question: The Hunter dimensions from my manual are displayed for a traditional sail yet my rig is roller furling. Does the sailmaker have to make any allowance for this and must they be informed the sail is for a roller furling rig or does the absence of a headboard give them sufficient notice?

Thanks for your help!

Jeff

 

[Phil Herring]

The IJPE dimensions reflect the specs of the rig and not the sail, so to really compare those you'd need to measure the boat as opposed to the sail.

Sail wear and stretching can be affected by all kinds of factors including UV exposure, how it was flown, where it was flown, and how it was made. OEM sails are typically built to meet a price point so it's safe to assume that any replacement sail made by a major loft will probably fly better and definitely last longer. They're certainly not bad sails, but they usually don't have quite the same grade of materials and workmanship as a one-off replacement.

The sail maker definitely has to design a different sail for a furling rig as opposed to a traditional rig. Everything will be different, including the sail's final size.

Hope this helps!

 

[Jeff10528]

The IJPE dimensions reflect the specs of the rig and not the sail, so to really compare those you'd need to measure the boat as opposed to the sail. Sail wear and stretching can be affected by all kinds of factors including UV exposure, how it was flown, where it was flown, and how it was made. OEM sails are typically built to meet a price point so it's safe to assume that any replacement sail made by a major loft will probably fly better and definitely last longer. They're certainly not bad sails, but they usually don't have quite the same grade of materials and workmanship as a one-off replacement. The sail maker definitely has to design a different sail for a furling rig as opposed to a traditional rig. Everything will be different, including the sail's final size. Hope this helps!

Helps a lot, thanks so much!

 

[discovery]

Helps a lot, thanks so much!

What grade of Dacron does hunter owners loft use? Is it the lowest grade or something better? I got a quote recently from the hunter owners and wondered what grade of Dacron was quoted

 

[Jeff10528]

Sailboat Owners.com uses Doyle for Hunter sails. It is very easy to select sails by model and get a quote. Based on boat length, they select the weight cloth, which you can change. For a 43' boat they recommend 9-10 oz

 

[Phil Herring]

I just had an inquiry about this last week and I'll quote the loft:

"The majority of the Dacron sails are built using Dimension Polyant Dacron. We order from all the major cloth providers but Dimension Polyant has proven to be the most consistent when it comes to wovens. The sail designer will pick the specific Dacron or weave based on the application and rig aspect ratio. Generally we are using their coastal cruising Dacron with a medium firm finish. It's much better that the basic Challenge economy Dacron."

That said, we're crossing over into sales talk now so if you wish to follow up this fabric question please contact us through our customer service channel. Thanks!

http://shop.hunterowners.com/cs/index.php?a=add