H34 Split Backstay

Mark48

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Mar 1, 2008
166
Hunter 34 Milwaukee
I was working on my boat today, and started wondering where others hook the backstay. I have been hooking to the stern port cleet. Not the most efficient for the mechanics of the split adjuster. It would be more efficient in the center but I don't think I want to fasten it to the swim ladder unless the mounts are reinforced more. Any thoughts?
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,093
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Most folks use four part boom vangs with cam cleats on the lower block.
 

PGIJon

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Mar 3, 2012
856
Hunter 34 Punta Gorda
Is it possible to post pictures showing the different types and locations? Thanks! Jon
 
Nov 26, 2012
1,654
C&C 40-2 Berkeley
I am considering adding one as well to my H-34. The plan is to install mounts located similarly to that shown in the Aquavite photos. They're out of the way of the swim ladder, etc. The key is making them strong enough. I'm curious to hear from those H-34 owners who have done this if it has been beneficial with regard to sail trim. Is it worth it given the B & R setup with the pre-bend already in the mast?
 

Mark48

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Mar 1, 2008
166
Hunter 34 Milwaukee
Most of the 34s I have seen have the adjustable backstay. And yes, I notice a significant difference when I tighten the adjuster in certain conditions, even with the prebend. Thanks for the pictures of your set up Stu.
 

YVRguy

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Jan 10, 2013
479
Hunter 34 Vancouver, BC
Split Backstay

This is news to me. Did the H34 not come standard with the split backstay? Mine looks like it was built that way. Even with the pre-bend, there's quite a bit of tension on it and it's not easily adjustable.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,093
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
I am considering adding one as well to my H-34. The plan is to install mounts located similarly to that shown in the Aquavite photos. They're out of the way of the swim ladder, etc. The key is making them strong enough. I'm curious to hear from those H-34 owners who have done this if it has been beneficial with regard to sail trim. Is it worth it given the B & R setup with the pre-bend already in the mast?
The key is not strength, that's easy and not an issue. The split wires from the break in the long backstay down to the transom are smaller wires than the long one. Any qualified rigger will do this.

Here ARE the "tricks":

1. Don't put a single turnbuckle up at the split. Put two turnbuckles at the transom. Why? 'Cuz they are easier to get to!!! :)

2. I don't have a detailed photo of the setup at the transom, but here's what's there:

a. a toggle. Sometimes, based on the boat, the chainplates don't line up perfectly with the backstay. A toggle makes everything work.

b. Two BIG D shackles to connect the splits to the toggle and the base of the vang and its other part to the transom.

3. The two pictures of my boat are DIFFERENT than the sketch. The sketch uses different hardware at the split, although both use a vang for adjustment. I used a Garhauer adjuster which is made of two nice ss straps with two sheaves and a connection for the top of the vang. It works great. The triple blocks in the sketch work fine, too, just more stuff.

4. IMPORTANT, IMPORTANT, IMPORTANT :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Whatever you do RAISE the split HIGH, HIGH, HIGH. That way you can stand underneath it without hitting your head or your shoulders.


Even with prebend, if your boat has a substantial mast, an adjustable backstay will NOT bend your telephone pole mast. It should, will, can (?), tighten your forestay. This issue has been beaten to death, over and over again. It depends on your boat. It works on mine.

Your boat, your choice.

Good luck.
 

splax

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Nov 12, 2012
694
Hunter 34 Portsmouth
split backstay adjuster addition

The thread title perhaps could have been split backstay adjuster. I believe the split backstay was standard, as on my boat in the attached photo. The addition of a backstay adjuster allows indirect sail shape control, but it seems there are other, simpler means to flatten the main or foresail in strengthening air without collateral effects.
 

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Jan 22, 2008
1,670
Hunter 34 Alameda CA
Mark,

Here is a scan of the original brochure (yes, I still have it from 1985). On the first two pages it shows the only backstay adjuster I have ever seen on our model boat. Must be a regional thing or I don't get out much. :D It also shows the Isomat mast with the extruded spinnaker car track. My boat came with the Kenyon mast as did all the other 34's I have ever seen. The 31's came with Isomats. But I digress. You might be able to see how the backstay adjuster is rigged at the lower starboard corner. It looks like its just secured to that hoop that the turnbuckle is attached to. Hard to tell.
 

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PGIJon

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Mar 3, 2012
856
Hunter 34 Punta Gorda
Thanks for the pics Stu, splax and Allan... My '86 is not adjustable other than a turnbuckle.
 
Dec 14, 2003
1,442
Hunter 34 Lake of Two Mountains, QC, Can
The idea of a backstay tensioner on the H-34 with its masthead rig and prebent mast has been discussed ad nauseam but FWIW I'll repeat here what I posted a while back on another thread. Allan, every 34 I've seen had it, and mine too when I bought her in 2000. So..., I have had my boat for 15 years with a Profurl roller furler and have also had almost the same backstay tensioner set-up as Stu's drawing and as per the original brochure. To answer the questions about whether it's efficient or not, I have to tell you that my rig is well tuned and the tension on headstay, backstay and shrouds is on the higher side of the spec ranges. Consequently, the headstay stays straight with the 130 fully out up about 18 knots of wind. By then, pulling the backstay tensioner might help avoiding the possible curving of the headstay in heavier puffs. But our 34s being tender, it is generally easier to furl down to about a 110 and I get a better balanced boat, hence faster with less weatherhelm. Winds above 20, I do need to reef the main. BTW, the shrouds do tend to loose some tension with backstay tensioner usage because of the 30 degrees sweptback spreaders. No much but they do ! And don't forget that also because of that 30 degrees on spreaders the backstay on our B & R rig is almost redondant. In fact I have sailed in very light winds with it completely loose without any problems. In a nutshell, I don't find it as effective as I have on fractional rigs I've raced on, but I don't find it problematic either (maybe because I'm careful when using it). Enlarge the attached pictures and you'll get a view of my set-up with the boom-vang style 4/1 tensioner with cam cleats on the lower block secured on the last opening of the starboard toe-rail.
 

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Feb 26, 2004
23,093
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Nice pictures.

OUr boats have different rigs, I understand that. Ours is single spreader, masthead, double lowers.

However, what Kloudie said is true for us, too, almost to the windspeeds. The ONLY difference is I don't run anything more than a 110 (have another 85 for high wind summers) and I see a great improvement in winds about the speeds Kloudie mentioned. I guess I'm seeing it more because our jib isn't reefed at all, ever. I just change jibs for the seasons! :):):)
 
Dec 14, 2003
1,442
Hunter 34 Lake of Two Mountains, QC, Can
Thanks Stu. I think you got Kloudie from Louisiana (first name Claude) and myself confused. :laugh: Both of us have H-34s and both of us are named Claude. Real nice guy with whom I spent a few minutes a few years back.:D
 
Nov 6, 2006
10,116
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
Thanks, Stu ! A nice compliment..
I enjoyed meeting Claude as well ! Strange how we are both machinery people and have the same boat and same name.. and both enjoy a chilly Labatte!
This forum is amazing for the quality of the folks on board, and the amount of good information available on sail specific things !
 
Dec 14, 2003
1,442
Hunter 34 Lake of Two Mountains, QC, Can
Thanks, Stu ! A nice compliment..
I enjoyed meeting Claude as well ! Strange how we are both machinery people and have the same boat and same name.. and both enjoy a chilly Labatte!
This forum is amazing for the quality of the folks on board, and the amount of good information available on sail specific things !
Nice indeed and I've got some chilling so I'll raise my glass to both of you before the day is over ;)