H33C deck organizer

[fiestaMojo]

I know this info is in a post somewhere, but for some reason the Search does not search just this forum, I'm looking to replace the deck organizer on my '81 H33. This is a vertical organizer, and I can't seem to find a suitable replacement; I thought someone had posted info about Garhauer making a replacement - could anyone give me that info? Thanks as always for the help, Pat Greene

 

[Ed Schenck]

I was only able to find this one thread on deck organizers for the H33 :
http://forums.hunter.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?p=664989&highlight=deck .
Since your boat is not original with those I think Garhauer is your best bet. Do you have any pictures that you could send in an e-mail? They are great about making up special hardware.

 

[Steve Dion]

If you contact Garhauer they can/will cut deck organizers with the same centers as your old one.

I do not know what you have but I may assume that it was Schaefer. Call and speak with Mark, he can help you out.

www.garhauermarine.com

 

[fiestaMojo]

Thanks Steve (and Ed)... I thought I had seen something about Garhauer, but missed the contact info...again, thanks (I'm not sure what's on the boat now, just that it is vertically oriented)

 

[Steve Dion]

A photo would help.

 

[n624ma]

Are you talking about the four sheaves inside the mast step? If so, I believe that was made by Hunter.

 

[fiestaMojo]

I am referring to the two-sheaved organizer mounted on the deck which turns the lines from the mast base to the rope clutch and winch; I will stop by the boat on my way home from work and snap a photo. . .

 

[Ed Schenck]

You wrote "vertical" which I assumed meant "stacked". Maybe you have a single stacked deck organizer but I have never seen one. Doubles and triples are common:
http://www.apsltd.com/c-1459-harkendeckorganizers.aspx . Guess we'll wait for your picture.

 

[n624ma]

Try Rig Rite, 401-739-1140, look in Foot Blocks, http://www.rigrite.com/Hardware/Blocks/Foot_Blocks/foot_blocks.html , Gibb and Schaefer have the right configuration but you will have to check dimensions. Otherwise call Garhauer. 909-985-9993 an talk to Guido. He will probably need to see some pictures and need the sheave O. D. Hope this helps.

 

[fiestaMojo]

I got photos today; yes it is a double sheaved organizer, made by Fico (p/n FG122)

 

[rardiH36]

From your photos, the organizer still looks in reasonable shape? Just a thought before replacing the entire unit, if its mainly the sheaves you are concerned about, again from the photos, it would appear that removing the center axle bolt will enable the sheaves from the block's stainless steel pieces to be removed. Replacement sheaves can be purchased at many sailing sites.

http://shop.sailboatowners.com/cat.php?51436/Sheaves

And even the West Marine in my area has a selection of the more popular sizes in stock.

 

[rardiH36]

Dear Fiesta Mojo:

At my boat yesterday, my eyes chanced upon my port side organizer. It's something that I cobbled together from a one level organizer to make a two-decker to provide more and better aligned leads when I added a cunningham line back to the cockpit. Not particularly pretty, but it has been working fine now for a number of years.

This triggered me to take another look at your photos. I see from your profile that you have owned the boat since 2010 = many years for PO's to make undocumented mods.

Is it possible that your deck organizer is not a block as originally made by any manufacturer? A few things make me think this:

1) The upper and lower sheaves are different; nylon and metal.
2) The bolts which go through the center axle and the support to the right, look more like they are from the fastener selection at West Marine, rather than original. The appearance of your bolts differs considerably from OEM bolts as in the below picture (from my miscellaneous parts bin) for example.
3) Somehow the cheek parts of the organizer don't look quite original?

Anyway, it could be that your organizer originally was a one level block. A PO might have drilled out the original pressed-in axle and the other pin and then got creative. In the same manner, I've kept alive older blocks that were basically good shape except for the sheaves by drilling out the factory pressed pins, putting in new sheaves, and then replacing the pins with 1/4" lag bolts and nuts to tighten.

Back to my attached picture. Say if I were to find an older block at a nautical flea market that had the same distance between centers as the block pictured, I could mount the flea market block on top of the existing sheave by replacing the existing short bolts with longer ones and make it a 2-fer. The top block wouldn't be as strong as the original design, but depending on the intended use, probably would be OK.

 

[jorgefife]

Deck Organizer

Dear Fiesta Mojo:

At my boat yesterday, my eyes chanced upon my port side organizer. It's something that I cobbled together from a one level organizer to make a two-decker to provide more and better aligned leads when I added a cunningham line back to the cockpit. Not particularly pretty, but it has been working fine now for a number of years.

This triggered me to take another look at your photos. I see from your profile that you have owned the boat since 2010 = many years for PO's to make undocumented mods.

Is it possible that your deck organizer is not a block as originally made by any manufacturer? A few things make me think this:

1) The upper and lower sheaves are different; nylon and metal.
2) The bolts which go through the center axle and the support to the right, look more like they are from the fastener selection at West Marine, rather than original. The appearance of your bolts differs considerably from OEM bolts as in the below picture (from my miscellaneous parts bin) for example.
3) Somehow the cheek parts of the organizer don't look quite original?

Anyway, it could be that your organizer originally was a one level block. A PO might have drilled out the original pressed-in axle and the other pin and then got creative. In the same manner, I've kept alive older blocks that were basically good shape except for the sheaves by drilling out the factory pressed pins, putting in new sheaves, and then replacing the pins with 1/4" lag bolts and nuts to tighten.

Back to my attached picture. Say if I were to find an older block at a nautical flea market that had the same distance between centers as the block pictured, I could mount the flea market block on top of the existing sheave by replacing the existing short bolts with longer ones and make it a 2-fer. The top block wouldn't be as strong as the original design, but depending on the intended use, probably would be OK.

Dear Fiesta Mojo'If you don't find a double organizer, I have one extra one, a single one, which I can let you have
It fits in that raised part of the deck, and it fits snug on top
No charge
Happy to help
It is a single one, though
Jorge

 

[rardiH36]

Its a Double Cheek Block

FiestaMojo:

Take a look at the bottom of this web page. CHEEK Blocks instead of organizers. In particular, the double cheek block SCH30329 looks very much like yours.

http://www.mauriprosailing.com/category/Schaefer-Flat-Base-Cheek-Blocks.html

Maybe you could measure the distances on your part between the four mounting holes for the small screws and then ask a supplier to verify that the Schaefer cheek blocks have the same?

 

[Ed Schenck]

Good catch Rardi. That is exactly what he has, a stacked cheek block. And I'd bed that he will find a match for the holes.

My boat originally had a single cheek block for turning the mainsheet back to the cabin top winch. It was screwed into the coring, not bolted. Hole pattern wouldn't matter.

 

[rardiH36]

Hi Ed:

I know that I've become a little too transfixed by this topic ... but it became a mystery to be pondered. Gotta give the "little gray cells" some exercise once in a while.

I still think that fiestaMojo's cheek/organizer is modified from something else. At the very least, a PO drilled out the factory pressed center pins of a double cheek block to replace one of the original sheeves.

While at my boat yesterday (after a great afternoon sail), I again rummaged through my miscellaneous stash of stuff. I found the two Schaefer items in the first below picture. The cheek block is a flea market acquisition for couple of dollars or so. The standard block was one of the original boom sheet blocks hanging from my boom bails when I bought the boat. Good chance it was Hunter's original supplied equipment in 1980.

The centers between the two pressed-in pins on each item are identical. The cheek block has a metal sheeve. The standard block has a nylon one. Same combination as fiestaMojo's piece. So if one drills out the pins on each item, stacks the standard block on top of the cheek block, and then replaces the pins with 1/4 SS lag bolts -- we've got a custom designed deck organizer.

Also attached is a picture of my modified starboard deck organizer. I've probably got the only one like it in the world! The second deck sheeve routes the boom vang line back to the cockpit. Hunter did not outfit Cherubini 36's with a boom vang. The orientation of the 3rd sheeve in the existing organizer (the lower portion in the picture) was wrong when I added my boom vang. So a second deck was needed.

 

[Ed Schenck]

You have a raised section on the deck. Is there a plate in there? The H37C has no plates up there. And its flat. I installed bolt-through double deck organizers six or seven years ago. The only use so far is for the staysail sheet. I had trouble finding a picture. That's yours truly in the Chesapeake, working hard while sailing south right after the Annapolis sailboat show.

 

[rardiH36]

Hello Ed:

Yes, that raised section of the deck has an aluminum plate underneath. Both for the port and starboard deck organizers. Also, I have similar plates in the areas where the cabin top winches are located. These plates were great to have when I rearranged winch location and added hardware to the cabin top for better sail control from the cockpit. I just used taps to make threads in the plate for SS machine bolts 3/16" or 1/4" as the case may be.

Doesn't seem you needed to be too attentive that day on the Chesapeake! I see that there was so much wind, assigning the boom vang to "jibe-preventer" duty was necessary.

Thanks for the picture. From it, I now see that the inverted "U" fitting hanging from the bottom of my boom about 5' back from the gooseneck was intended for a boom vang. Maybe this is the fitting that about a year or so ago failed on Blaise and took his entire boom with it?

When deciding how to attach my boom vang addition, I first thought about using that fitting. But it looked weak - - particularly after almost 30 years of Al versus SS galvanic corrosion in the area. The attached pic (which I've posted before) was my boom to vang attachment solution. Again, due to Nautical Flea Market "opportunities", the boom bails that I used were not cost prohibitive. Subsequently, however, I've upgraded the blocks. But you get the idea. In the pic, on the underside of the boom, aft the hanging rope loop just, further aft of the upper fiddle block, you can see my "U" fitting doing only cosmetic duty.

regards,
rardi

 

[fiestaMojo]

Thanks Rardi and Ed. . . looking at your last set of pics Rardi I do think you're right about the origin of the organizer. . . I haven't checked under the organizer, but I replaced the double rope clutch and there is an aluminum plate under it (I'd assume there are plates under these also)