H33 vs H36

[CaptDanh]

Went to the boat show last week and fell in love with the new H33. I've been doing some research and stumbled on a few posts that mention something relating to generators, and opting for the H36.

Am I reading correctly that H33 does NOT have a generator option? Any other things I should be aware of when considering between the two?

 

[Hello Below]

CaptDanh, I believe that RuddyDuck was the member that selected the 36 over the 33 because of the generator or lack thereof. One other major decision point between the two is saildrive vs shaft and stuffing box.

 

[seadaddler]

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In 2006 I went to sailboat show thinking I was going to get a left over H-33 but after walking around looking at all the boats my wife said no to the 33 and told me to get the 2007 36,Gen option$$$$$ not cheap,separate shower and more storage all over.
The dealer also had a left over 2006 H-36 at a savings but we wanted too many options installed at the factory.
Nick

 

[Oliverhg]

We traded up from 33 to a 36 last year. I would say that the main difference is the heavier displacement (15,000 vs 10,500 pounds).

Other things are minor but adds up after a while. Double sink, bigger fridge, freezer, bigger fresh water tank and fuel tank (couple of extra days before looking for fillip), not having to walk under side stay rigging going forward, bigger cockpit, much bigger lockers. Drawer for cutlery, bigger hanging lockers

The e36 has much higher freeboard than my previous 33 (2004). This makes it more of a jump rather than stepping of the side of the e36 when docking and the side gate is no longer at the arch for convenient handhold. I step of the rear platform now which is turning out to be more useful than I expected.

On the other hand, the windless in the 33 did not hang as much as the e36 and the e36 list slightly to port.

Oliver....

 

[CaptDanh]

Thanks everyone for your insights. This is going to be my first boat that I buy so I'm trying not to screw it up too much - haha. Looks like I'll be researching more on the e36 now.

Anyone have any thoughts on why a 33 might be better - for any circumstances minus cost?

Thanks,
CaptDanh

 

[onecoolair]

The big to thing consider is aft cabin sleeping arrangements . Who gets pushed back to the back. And needs to climb over the other person in the middle of the night waking up the other.

 

[Hello Below]

One must take the spec sheets from both the e33 and e36 and compare. Also talk to the dealer, who not lonely gets to see but extensively sail both boats and more importantly receives feedback from customers and potential customers about the pros and cons. Likes and dislikes.
From what I have witnessed there is a whole lot more the same on the 2 boats than not. The physical size is obviously different but not significant. The 36 is 3000 lbs heavier, 10 inches wider and a foot and a half longer at the waterline. To me a lot of that is taken up by the recessed shower which gets used for about 6 mins/day/person. I find the transom hot/cold shower is much more civil than putting condensation into the boat unnecessarily. Another space hog in the e36 is the fixed and dedicated Nav table, which to me is a waste of space and goes mostly unused in today’s cruising. Note the convertible Nav table/settee in the e33. The galley table is a breeze to convert to a larger than double bunk when needed in the 33. The e33 certainly has more galley countertop and the oven comes standard not an option as in the e36. We have a top loading fridge/freezer and a front loading fridge. With 4 golf cart batteries for the house bank, we are good on the hook for about 4 days without recharging. Solar, vice generator, is in the near future additions.
At the end of the day the decision will come down to wallet size for additional marina moorage (both permanent and temporary), maintenance and initial capital outlay. But the bottom line is what you’re your needs are and what feels right to both you and the crew.
Am I biased to the e33? You betcha. If I had unlimited resources I would have a real close look at the new e40. Go big or stay home.

 

[Hello Below]

CaptDanh,

I should have listed these. Have a look at the ratings.

http://www.boatpoint.com.au/reviews/2012/sail--other/hunter/33/hunter-e33-28884

http://www.boatpoint.com.au/reviews/2011/sail--other/hunter/e36/hunter-e36-23675

 

[CaptDanh]

Good point about the sleeping arrangements - although I figure I'll be on the outside and up more often making sure the boat is doing what it's suppose to be doing.

It did feel a little cramped when I was on the e36. Didn't realize why until you mentioned the nav desk and head. Definitely takes up more space which is why I felt more at home on the e33.

I plan on living aboard in Annapolis, MD so I'm leaning towards e33 for the comfort. I'm a bit away from the dealers up there but hope to take a trip out there to look at the boats more closely (do they have demo boats available at the dealers?)

So without a gen option, is your only option to charge when away from shore power solar and wind? I read on the review you sent about a small inverter option. I'm guessing that's not enough to power anything significant. Any comments on the inverter? I was hoping to power a rice cooker in the 400-500w range as well as a few other things.

 

[Hello Below]

I am somewhat confused as I am not sure how the 2 boats differ in the aft cabin layout. If memory serves me correctly, the outboard occupant on both boats will have to crawl over the inboard occupant if they need to get out. They are identical expect the e36 has a small shelf on the left side of the bed.
As far as inverters go, certainly a 500W or more is available and given sufficient house battery bank capacity and frugal use of the cooker and other appliances this would be doable. Let’s say the cooker is used for 0.5 hrs then you will be using in the order of 25 amp hrs. In my case that is about 10% of the usable house bank capacity. Yikes! If the rice cooker was the overriding reason for a generator/inverter, than I would research a rice cooker that functions similarly but could be placed on the propane burners. I am not the boat’s cook but a have seen lots of pressure cookers used on sailboats.
I am not so sure there isn’t an option for a generator in the e33. This is something that would have to be determined. For coastal cruising, I am not a fan of wind generators. There are certainly ones that are now very quiet but a whole lot of noisy ones that bother me after a short while. Also, when at anchor or alongside I try to avoid wind as much as possible which is needed (and lots of) to generate any power at all. Off shore maybe.

 

[onecoolair]

I am somewhat confused as I am not sure how the 2 boats differ in the aft cabin layout. If memory serves me correctly, the outboard occupant on both boats will have to crawl over the inboard occupant if they need to get out. They are identical expect the e36 has a small shelf on the left side of the bed.
As far as inverters go, certainly a 500W or more is available and given sufficient house battery bank capacity and frugal use of the cooker and other appliances this would be doable. Let’s say the cooker is used for 0.5 hrs then you will be using in the order of 25 amp hrs. In my case that is about 10% of the usable house bank capacity. Yikes! If the rice cooker was the overriding reason for a generator/inverter, than I would research a rice cooker that functions similarly but could be placed on the propane burners. I am not the boat’s cook but a have seen lots of pressure cookers used on sailboats.
I am not so sure there isn’t an option for a generator in the e33. This is something that would have to be determined. For coastal cruising, I am not a fan of wind generators. There are certainly ones that are now very quiet but a whole lot of noisy ones that bother me after a short while. Also, when at anchor or alongside I try to avoid wind as much as possible which is needed (and lots of) to generate any power at all. Off shore maybe.

Believe me having to climb over someone to go pee at 3 am weather it's you or her will get old very fast. You my want to consider a larger model with and island bed setup in your main sleeping cabin. If budget is a concern then consider looking at a slightly older but larger model.
As far as generator goes , I have a boat neighbor that has a small diesel westerbeke in a sound shield case in the lazzeratte of there 27' footer. So having a gen on the e33 should be do able. It's just not a factory option from hunter.

 

[Nodak7]

The big to thing consider is aft cabin sleeping arrangements . Who gets pushed back to the back. And needs to climb over the other person in the middle of the night waking up the other.

This is a very good point. We had a 33 and it was a pain when I had to get up and climb over the admiral. When we bought her we had also looked at the 36. Really liked it better but it was our first sailboat and the 36 seemed so big and intimidating. We would have been better off to have purchased the 36 right off the bat because we ended up selling the 33 and buying a 41.. ! Have not regretted it though. Anyway if you plan on living aboard I would suggest you have a diesel heater installed. It was the very best thing we put on the 33. The Admiral really misses it now on the 41. As far as a generator we used a Honda 1000. Worked great!

The 33 was a good sailing boat but slow however the comfort level was very good. The bottom line is that if I were doing it all over again I would have bought the 36 and saved myself a lot of money and hassle.

 

[canuck]

New Hunter 40

One must take the spec sheets from both the e33 and e36 and compare. Also talk to the dealer, who not lonely gets to see but extensively sail both boats and more importantly receives feedback from customers and potential customers about the pros and cons. Likes and dislikes.
From what I have witnessed there is a whole lot more the same on the 2 boats than not. The physical size is obviously different but not significant. The 36 is 3000 lbs heavier, 10 inches wider and a foot and a half longer at the waterline. To me a lot of that is taken up by the recessed shower which gets used for about 6 mins/day/person. I find the transom hot/cold shower is much more civil than putting condensation into the boat unnecessarily. Another space hog in the e36 is the fixed and dedicated Nav table, which to me is a waste of space and goes mostly unused in today’s cruising. Note the convertible Nav table/settee in the e33. The galley table is a breeze to convert to a larger than double bunk when needed in the 33. The e33 certainly has more galley countertop and the oven comes standard not an option as in the e36. We have a top loading fridge/freezer and a front loading fridge. With 4 golf cart batteries for the house bank, we are good on the hook for about 4 days without recharging. Solar, vice generator, is in the near future additions.
At the end of the day the decision will come down to wallet size for additional marina moorage (both permanent and temporary), maintenance and initial capital outlay. But the bottom line is what you’re your needs are and what feels right to both you and the crew.
Am I biased to the e33? You betcha. If I had unlimited resources I would have a real close look at the new e40. Go big or stay home.

Suggest you checkout some of the threads relating to the 40 - seems to be a big disapointment.

 

[Nodak7]

Suggest you checkout some of the threads relating to the 40 - seems to be a big disappointment.

Canuck, we got a chance to look the new 40 over while we were at the Annapolis Boat Show. Very nice looking boat. The dimensions are pretty close to mine so I would expect the performance and sailing characteristics to be similar and I have never been disappointed with our 41. Additionally I got a chance to speak with Mr. Marlow personally about the boat. The one item that I mentioned to him was that they made the aft cabin very large and spacious but they did it by sacrificing room in the lazerette. But for those that are familiar with the 39 they did the same thing with that as well. Anyway he agreed with me but mentioned that they tried to make up for the loss of that room by giving lots of storage behind the aft bulkhead accessible thru the stern storage lockers.

Anyway she is a beautiful boat and I would have loved to sail her. The interior is very nice and roomy (especially the roomy aft cabin). I can say that I did not feel "disappointed"! IMHO