H30 Mast Removal

May 30, 2015
16
hunter 30SL OYCM
I'm preparing to replacement my standing rigging on my 1977 H30 and will do most of the work myself, though the boat yard will use a crane to pull the mast. I will disconnect the rigging and mast. While checking things to make a plan I haven't been able to identify how the mast is connected to the boat. There are no visible bolts in the mast and it appears to sit directly on the deck. I thought it came through the deck but have discovered that there appears to be a thick piece of wood as the mast step which sits directly on an aluminum block mounted on the mast.

I just want to ensure that when I get the boat to the yard I know exactly what to do.
 

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
2,011
1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
You are correct. The mast sets on an aluminum base on the deck and is supported only by the standing rigging. There is a 4 x 6 compression post under the mast that runs down to the bilge area and is supported by a steel I-beam. My 1979 H30 I-beam was rusted in half so check it's condition while the mast is off. Not sure why Hunter used a steel I-beam in a wet bilge area. Especially when the ice box and shower drains into it and stays damp.
 
May 30, 2015
16
hunter 30SL OYCM
Kito, thank you for the reply. That solves the mystery for me and I will feel more comfortable at the yard. My Dad actually owned the boat for 40 years before turning it over to me earlier this year. According to the receipts, he had that steel I-Beam replaced with the aluminum beam in 2010. I agree... Very strange that hunter would have used steel in the bildge. Thank you again for the reply!!!!
 
Jun 4, 2004
834
Hunter 340 Forked River, NJ
I responded to your post on the big Boat Forum: I had a 1980 H30 some years ago. If I recall, the hollow aluminum mast extrusion sits/slips onto on an aluminum base block which is itself bolted or screwed into the deck. The deck itself is raised and reinforced in that area with wood under the fiberglass. I would suggest spraying some WD-40 or PB Blaster around the mast base to try to loosen the joint between the mast and the aluminim mast base block before pulling the mast.
 

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
2,011
1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
Sounds great!. I replaced mine with 2 structural aluminum 6" channels. You are good to go. Btw, pinning the mast to the mast base would only cause more problems since a pin would not hold the mast up alone anyway. It would only damage the mast and maybe rip the deck roof off in that area if the mast would fall. My C22 is pinned but is used for a pivot only.
 
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Oct 6, 2007
1,145
Hunter H30 1982 Chicago IL
I don't know if this is unique to my boat or a common practice, but my '82 H30 has the coax connection for mast top VHF antenna inside the mast and the plug for the mast lights on the outside. Have to lift the mast about four inches out of the base and unscrew that connection before raising the mast any further. Surprised me the first time I unstepped the mast and I had to repair that connection. So make sure you know where all the mast wiring connections are.
The Wd40 or PB Blaster suggestion is a good idea. If the mast hasn't been removed for a few years, it sticks and then seems to jump out of the base when it finally lets go. Probably actually the boat dropping a few inches back into the water.
 
May 30, 2015
16
hunter 30SL OYCM
Sounds great!. I replaced mine with 2 structural aluminum 6" channels. You are good to go. Btw, pinning the mast to the mast base would only cause more problems since a pin would not hold the mast up alone anyway. It would only damage the mast and maybe rip the deck roof off in that area if the mast would fall. My C22 is pinned but is used for a pivot only.
Haha. I once had a 22 Oday with a pinned mast that I would drop down on my shoulder while motoring under a takeoff trussel, back in day. That may was light enough that I could use a halyard running through a bow mounted block to raise and lower the mast from the cockpit. That would be interesting to try with the H30.
 
May 30, 2015
16
hunter 30SL OYCM
I don't know if this is unique to my boat or a common practice, but my '82 H30 has the coax connection for mast top VHF antenna inside the mast and the plug for the mast lights on the outside. Have to lift the mast about four inches out of the base and unscrew that connection before raising the mast any further. Surprised me the first time I unstepped the mast and I had to repair that connection. So make sure you know where all the mast wiring connections are.
The Wd40 or PB Blaster suggestion is a good idea. If the mast hasn't been removed for a few years, it sticks and then seems to jump out of the base when it finally lets go. Probably actually the boat dropping a few inches back into the water.
Thanx for the reply. How tall is the base? I can't imagine lifting the mast 4 inches. Seems too heavy and that the rigging wouldn't allow that much slack. Definitely will use the PB Blaster.
 
Jun 5, 2010
1,123
Hunter 25 Burlington NJ
The typical in-mast mast-step base will be about 6" high for your boat. There should be a pin through it (keeps the mast from jumping off the deck in a rollover). You will have to lift the mast-- it won't just tilt over or slide off. There's a reason why not.

When I took down my rig, the mast was 'welded' to the SS 'tabernacle' plate with bimetallic corrosion. I had two 11th-grade football-player students helping me and we were literally leaning on it to knock it down (with three loose 'safety' shrouds still attached) and it wasn't moving. It was the very devil. My new mast step is not a tabernacle (who lowers the mast to trailer/daysail a H25?) but a proper fabricated-aluminum mast-step base which I designed and had made (and can sell a copy of ;)). So I have to lift my mast off and lower it on, just like big-boat owners do!

The short answer you're probably looking for is: I'd rely on the crane for this.

In my (not inconsiderable) experience, this job can be either the biggest anxiety or a walk in the park. So forgive me if this sounds like I'm talking down at you. First, remember that as you loosen (as with tuning) one rigging wire, you need to turn its correspondent at the same time. Alternating with a few turns at a time on each is acceptable. What's not acceptable is spinning the turnbuckle way open on, say, an upper shroud without ever touching the other one. Having some amateur or on-staff mooyock 'helping' by doing this 'for you', or, worse, loosening and removing them all at once, causes havoc and headaches you can't begin to imagine. As our dear late Fred Thompson says in Red October, 'The Russians don't take a dump without a plan, son.' So it should be with a chore like this. Know what you're doing before you do it, then just follow the system.

Before the crane comes, take all the rigging wires off except either the forestay, if you don't have a furler, plus the two aft lowers (as I prefer) or else the four lowers. People with H37s and other double-headsail boats should choose the inner forestay and two lowers (running backs instead of standing lowers are even better). When rigging or derigging, these are the most preferable to put on first and to take off first. You can set the rake and adjust the furler before even hooking anything else on. Best of all, you can dismiss the expensive crane guy earlier. Derigging the boat is the reverse-- leaving just these three or four on, you can do more work before he arrives and starts charging you.

If the furler promises to be a nightmare, lead two (not merely one) jib halyards forward to the rail beside the stemhead, take up on them well, and then loosen the furler. It's best to get that thing detached from the stemhead, to wrap the drum in bubble-wrap or carpet, and to draw it all the way back to the chainplates, outside the boat, against the hull, with maybe a line or two around it, kind of high up (try lasso-ing the spreaders), tying it only to the mast. Every rigger and crane driver hates dealing with the furler. Keeping it tied close to the mast will keep it from having its way with gravity and all that; but it will still be a problem-- that's guaranteed.

Do the same with all the rigging wires you took off, all the halyard tails, and all the flag halyards (which are often overlooked). If you can reach and detach the lower parts of a split backstay (and the whole adjuster), that's a no-brainer. The wire and especially the turnbuckles will be very adept at dining and scratching everything they can. You can pad them or try to catch them; but it's part of the price of the chore. On Diana I can spin the TB bottles off at the upper ends and leave them on deck (till later), so they're not on the wires when the boat is being rigged or derigged. (This is a surprisingly elegant solution to a bit of a screw-up; it's in my blog.)

As you do this you'll discover why all rigging turnbuckles have more threads inside the bottle at one end than at the other. On my boat the longer threads are at the bottom. ;)

Collect all the clevis pins and over the winter inspect them for corrosion. Throw away all the cotter pins-- reusing them is the very definition of false economy. Do not rig the boat again using roll pins. Roll pins break and find their way off the job. The rig needs for the cotter pins to be bent at the proper 15-degree angle (or better). The classy way to treat these is with white rigging tape, not great blobs of silicone. :badbad:

The crane guy will know how to sling a harness round your mast to lift it. Almost always it will be under the spreaders, which is not high enough. The furler (and anything at the top) will tug on the top of the mast and try to tip it; so have a guy stationed with a tether line secured to a point very low on the mast (halyard winch or cleat, at the highest) and be able to drop this line to another person on the ground when the mast moves off. If it's windy, station two guys on this line-- they will have a fight of it. Like the spotter in a MOB rescue, these guys should do nothing else till the mast is lying on the horses on the ground. This task tends to be the most underestimated of the whole chore.

Speaking of horses, I hope you already have yours made. I have three, with little plywood fiddles screwed standing-up to the side of the horizontal part (this is why folding and metal ones are no good) to hold the spars. Two have three U-shaped cutouts, for the boom, the spinnaker pole and the mast. One has only one, for the masthead. You can line the U-shaped cutouts with carpet if you're worried. Be sure all the horses' legs are well-braced and gusseted. They take more of a beating that you might imagine. If they're too pretty they can also walk away. Station them near where the boat will be, or where you are expected to work on them, before the crane guy shows up. Be sure there's a clear space for him to lay the mast down. The cheapest way is to have your own crew move the mast. My mast (30') weighs 66 lbs. With the rigging it's more; but three guys can move a H30 mast, fully rigged, with no damage to backs.

Take all your shackles, clevis pins, antennae, wind-instrument senders, and detachable halyard blocks home for the winter, or they may not be there next season.

The more of this you can have ready before the crane arrives, the better. In our area the crane is $400/hour, one hour minimum. This job will take him about 20 minutes. See who else in the yard needs a crane and schedule one crane visit and split the fee. You'll be glad to make and keep such friends! :dancing:
 
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May 30, 2015
16
hunter 30SL OYCM
DianaOfBurlington, thank you so much for invaluable information. You've given me a lot to consider before doing this job, which is huge. I would have never considered wrapping the furler or the aft stays to keep themfrom banding around creating problems.
Just took be clear, the only rigging I need standing when I pull into the yard is the two aft lower stays and two halyards on the bow(the furler detached).
 
Jun 5, 2010
1,123
Hunter 25 Burlington NJ
As long as you can trust those halyards, yes.

If you are already in the water, I'd wait till the last moment, like when the crane is turning into the yard. I have a fixed rule about leaving 'running rigging' doing the job of 'standing rigging' even if it's just sitting there waiting. Better to look neurotic and to be safe than to look confident and to have a whopping headache from the mast coming down!

'Prudent pessimism is the mark of a responsible skipper.' --me.

Just remember I'm just a guy with 44 years' experience doing this. It's your boat! :badbad:
 
Jun 5, 2010
1,123
Hunter 25 Burlington NJ
BTW Riverbuoy, this is a good time to inspect (and probably go straight to fixing) the compression post, under-sole structure (a catastrophe on most H30s) and the cored deck under the mast step. This is all easy to do (just involves some actual labor) when the mast is out and only a great worry while the mast is in.

In a few places here I have mentioned how I would go about doing this. There is also an entry on my blog about the 'crucial compression post', which was my e-mail to someone who expressly asked me about his H30.
 
May 30, 2015
16
hunter 30SL OYCM
Thanx for the info. As I understand it, the mast step and wood in the deck were replaced on 2010. I will check out your blog.
 
Oct 6, 2007
1,145
Hunter H30 1982 Chicago IL
Thanx for the reply. How tall is the base? I can't imagine lifting the mast 4 inches. Seems too heavy and that the rigging wouldn't allow that much slack. Definitely will use the PB Blaster.
Riverbouy,
Does your mast base look like this one? Assuming Hunter did not change the mast base design between '77 and '82, the base sleeves up into the mast about one inch. It's right at the bottom bolt on the vang bracket in the attached image. Standing rigging is all disconnected at the time the cranes lifts the mast, but not before. If your coax connection is where mine is, you need someone holding the base of the mast so it doesn't swing while you unscrew the coax. Putting fingers under a suspended, heavy mast is risky. Best to use pliers for that job and keep the fingers out of a potential guillotine if the mast drops unexpectedly, which I have seen happen when a crane operator's lashing around the mast slipped.
 

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May 30, 2015
16
hunter 30SL OYCM
Riverbouy,
Does your mast base look like this one? Assuming Hunter did not change the mast base design between '77 and '82, the base sleeves up into the mast about one inch. It's right at the bottom bolt on the vang bracket in the attached image. Standing rigging is all disconnected at the time the cranes lifts the mast, but not before. If your coax connection is where mine is, you need someone holding the base of the mast so it doesn't swing while you unscrew the coax. Putting fingers under a suspended, heavy mast is risky. Best to use pliers for that job and keep the fingers out of a potential guillotine if the mast drops unexpectedly, which I have seen happen when a crane operator's lashing around the mast slipped.
Dalliance, thank you for the response. My mast appears to rest directly on the deck with no screws visible, see attached photo. The VHF wire appears to come through the center of the mast while the connection is about three feet inside the boat. I am worried that it will get hung inside the boat as the mast is raised. I'll likely have someone in the cabin feed it through.
 
Oct 6, 2007
1,145
Hunter H30 1982 Chicago IL
Dalliance, thank you for the response. My mast appears to rest directly on the deck with no screws visible, see attached photo. The VHF wire appears to come through the center of the mast while the connection is about three feet inside the boat. I am worried that it will get hung inside the boat as the mast is raised. I'll likely have someone in the cabin feed it through.
Riverbouy, I think the mast itself does not actually sit directly on the deck. It looks like a simple cast aluminum base plate, likely with a few screws inside to anchor it to the deck and some kind of upright flange to prevent lateral movement of the mast. You are right to have someone inside the boat to feed VHF connection through.
 
Jun 5, 2010
1,123
Hunter 25 Burlington NJ
I'm glad Dalliance brought up the matter of wiring, which in my longwinded response I left out. By all means have a system by which the wiring can be disconnected from the deck (or close to it). This greatly simplifies, well, everything.

Years ago a yard electrician installed a VHF for my dad on the R33. Rather than drill holes near the deck-stepped mast, the coax was led down the deck to the companionway (hidden under the hatch shroud and by a piece of teak trim) and entered the deck back there, near where the VHF was installed. When first pulling the mast after this, everyone overlooked the VHF till the mast was 2 ft off the deck and the coax was ripping up the teak trim, about to destroy the radio on its way to yanking out of it. Someone called 'Stop!' and my dad got a hatchet or something (for some reason the hatchet was always at hand!) and chopped off the wire. Radio survived; but the hits to the ego probably cost more.

I have two inlets for wiring, the 12VDC on one side and the VHF to the other. The VHF unscrews from a through-deck fitting on the deck. The 12VDC goes through a hose and gets poked down the through-hull installed upside-down in the deck, and the connection box is directly under that. But it does require that I remember to unhook them and to gently tug them out of the through-hull before attempting to pull the mast. I saw this system on a boat in Barnegat NJ and realized it's the perfect solution to this potential hassle.

I'll post photos of this to the blog or to here, but after the shrinkwrap comes off.
 
Jun 5, 2010
1,123
Hunter 25 Burlington NJ
Riverbouy, I think the mast itself does not actually sit directly on the deck. It looks like a simple cast aluminum base plate, likely with a few screws inside to anchor it to the deck and some kind of upright flange to prevent lateral movement of the mast.
This is probably right because he has an earlier-Hunter Schaefer spar. I was sorry to see them go!

The drawback to the mast-step system Riverbouy seems to have is that there's nowhere for a through-pin in it, which I would advocate to anyone racing or going anywhere offshore. Even if one of the shrouds (especially if two) were to part, this could become a problem without having a mechanical connection between spar and boat.
 
Jan 4, 2007
406
Hunter 30 Centerport
Your mast step goes about 1 to 2 inched into the base of the mast. There is no pin. The coax and electric wires for the lights usually run up through the mast base (sealed with silicone or something) and are about 1 to 2 feet long with plugs or some kind of connector at end. Lift the mast off the base with the crane (to heave to do by hand) you pull the wires out of the mast bottom a little and you'll probably find some kind of plug connections. You unplug them and you'll have the wires coming out of the base with plugs that stay with the boat and wire that exit the bottom of the mast with plugs that stay with the mast. LABEL THEM BEFORE YOUR UNPLUG so you can get them correct in the spring.