H23' w/CDI furler - Raising a jib sock?

[joelledupont]

I've spent some time trying to find my answer in the archives but haven't been successful in locating specifics for a H23. Please help!

Last year I sewed a jib sock for my 1987 H23' to cover up my CDI furler and sail. Since my jib halyard had been stripped out, I used my main sail halyard and swung it around the mast every time I needed to cover the sail. This year I asked my sail shop to install a light line and run it up the mast where the jib halyard used to be to raise the jib sock. When I got the boat back, I couldn't unfurl the jib more than about a 1/3. The line they installed wrapped around the CDI and sail.

In my opinion, the sail shop didn't have the expertise to know what to do even though they installed the furler for me 3 years ago and are a Hunter dealer! I callled Tom at CDI and he wasn't that familiar with the H23 mast and jib halyard system but in the end recommeded I remove the line and return to using my main halyard for the remainder of the season. (This is my first cruiser and furler so I am somewhat of a novice here! Please bare with me.)

It appears that where the jib line for the sock comes out of the mast it encounters the CDI furler and creates "Halyard Wrap" and can not be avoided. Are there any other H23 owners out there with a jib sock? How do you rig the line?

Many thanks, Second Wind on Cayuga Lake (Finger Lakes, NY)

 

[Clark]

I don't have a 23 but i have owned boats with and without furlers.

First of all, the jib halyard sheave should be just below the upper forestay attachment correct? If I recall correctly, the CDI does not use the jib halyard, it has it's own line to raise the jib. The top of the furler just ends and no lines are attached correct?

If all correct, the new line should not foul the furler unless it has an incorrect wrap around the furler top. Is the new line free to move up & down when not attached to your sock?

 

[Clark]

P.S. If you want to make life a lot simpler, have a UV panel sewn to your jib. It'll protect the jib when furled, doesn't hamper performance to speak of and totally avoids issues a sock brings. You take your sails off every year anyway right? By doing so, a UV cover will last for a number of years.

 

[Clark]

Post-post script. The guy who pulled in the new line may have used the spinnaker sheave which sits ABOVE the forestay. Check that too since it could cause your problem.

 

[Manny]

I don't have a 23 either but...

Here's a shot of my mast head. The spinnaker sheave and halyard are right above the top of the furler. Never had the line wrap. I keep both ends of the halyard pulled tight along the mast (half of the line on one side of the forestay, the other half on the other side).

Manny

 

[joelledupont]

Thanks for the photo, it helps alot.

Thanks for the info and photo.

Here's a shot of my mast head. The spinnaker sheave and halyard are right above the top of the furler. Never had the line wrap. I keep both ends of the halyard pulled tight along the mast (half of the line on one side of the forestay, the other half on the other side).

Manny

 

[joelledupont]

Clark, here is some additional background info with regard to your first three responses.
The mast on my Hunter 23 has no forestay now but has been replaced with the CDI furller.
The CDI furler uses an internal halyard inside the plastic luff and does not use the original jib halyard.
The jib attached to the mast about 2 feet down from the top of the mast, the top of the furler is now located there.
The light line I had installed to raise the sock uses the original jib halyard internal installation and exits at the same location that the CDI furler is attached to now.
I don't know if the sheave is still in place.
I don't know if there is a spinnaker sheave in place. I don't think so!
I think I need to get a close up photo of the problem area for further discussion. I'm just not that familiar with all of the rigging details and am having difficulty.
Look for a photo tomorrow.
Thanks for your assistance.

 

[joelledupont]

Photo of situation

Here are two photos of the current rigging which is causing the halyard wrap when I take down the jib sock.
Thanks for your analysis.
Second Wind

 

[Bill Murray]

What happens (what do you do) with the new sock halyard when the sock is lowered. How do you keep it out of the way of all the other gear? Seems like it needs to be pulled back against the mast before unfurling the jib. I also agree, it should use a sheave that is below the attachment point for the furler/forestay.

 

[cephius (Dave)]

Clearing the jib

Bill,
I added an upper, outer, halyard on my H260 for the spinnaker. Having the new halyard in front of the jib was a problem at first. I would clip the pelican hook to the bow rail as far forward as I could. This gave less then 1" clearance from the furled jib. If I didn't keep it tight enough it would snag and foul the jib when furling.

My final solution had to do with the additional problem of keeping the asymmetrical cruising spinnaker off the bow light. I added two SS pipes that were a foot long as an extension onto the forward rail upright. The top pipe is level and to lower pipe supports it at a 45 degree angle. I used SS rail caps and hardware to connect it all together, matching the original hand rail hardware.

The spinnaker tack downhaul line goes through a block on a swivel at the end of this extension. I connect the spinnaker halyard to the downlaul when not in use. this gives about 6" of clearance from the furled jib.

I too am planning on a jib sock in the near future. It will be hauled up on the spinnaker halyard.